Indian Parrying Shield

Jim McDougall · 2nd January 2008, 10:03 PM

The non-shedding of blood was indeed a tenet of much religious dogma in many religions, however an 'instrument' such as a mace would not be very effective in such use as bloodshed would be inevitable. In the case of the use of the horns, the effect would be clear as well.

In the case of the cult known as 'thuggee' which we have discussed on a concurrent thread, the 'weapon' used was the noose, strategically used to avoid the spilling of blood as dictated in thier religious dogma.

Jim McDougall · 2nd January 2008, 10:05 PM

Hi Vandoo,
We must have posted at the same time. Very well said, and I especially like your matador analogy!!

All the best,
Jim

Norman McCormick · 2nd January 2008, 10:28 PM

I would suspect any sharp and pointy object wielded by man to be capable of spilling copious amounts of blood, just ask any bull.
Regards,
Norman.

Norman McCormick · 2nd January 2008, 10:43 PM

My apologies Vandoo I didn't read the second "not' plus my wife was speaking to me at the same time and for some reason she seemed to think what she was saying was more important than what I was reading.
Regards,
Norman.

VANDOO · 2nd January 2008, 11:52 PM

NO PROBLEM

SOMETIMES MY THOUGHT'S DON'T COME THRU VERY CLEAR AND I WAS NOT AN }A} STUDENT IN ENGLISH SO MY USE OF IT IS A BIT UNORTHADOX ,WE WON'T EVEN GET INTO MY SPELLING

WE ALL DO THE BEST WE CAN HERE ON THE FORUM, IT IS ESPECIALLY DIFFICULT FOR THOSE WHO'S NATIVE LANGUAGE IS NOT ENGLISH. I REALLY APPRECIATE THE EXTRA WORK THEY DO JUST TO POST ON THIS FORUM. I WOULD NOT KNOW WHERE TO START TO POST ON A FORUM IN ANOTHER LANGUAGE.

TO GET BACK ON TOPIC OR NEAR IT AT LEAST

MAN HAS BORROWED WEAPONS AND THE IDEAS FOR THEM FROM THE ANIMAL KINGDOM SINCE ANCIENT TIMES. WE WERE NOT BLESSED WITH BIG FANGS, CLAWS, HORNS, SPINES OR SHARP HOOFS WE ARE SLOW ,WEAK AND FRAGILE COMPARED TO MOST OF THE CRITTERS WE ARE AROUND. WE ARE JUST LUCKY INSECTS ARE SMALL OR WE PROBABLY WOULD BE EXTINCT.
WE HAVE USED SHARK TEETH,STINGRAY AND OTHER FISH SPINES AS WELL AS SHARP SHELLS FROM THE SEA. HORNS, CLAWS AND FANGS FROM ANIMALS AS WELL AS WEAPONS FASHONED FROM WOOD,STONE, BONE AND METALS THAT COPY THEIR FORMS. THE DESIRE OF MAN TO PROVE THEY ARE A GREAT HUNTER OR WARRIOR HAS ALWAYS CAUSED SOME TO PIT THEMSELVES AGAINST THE MOST DANGEROUS CRITTERS. THAT ALSO LED TO THE KEEPING OF TROPHYS AS A BADGE OF YOUR ACCOMPLISHMENTS TO IMPRESS THE GIRLS AND OTHER GUYS.
I GUESS WE HAVE ALWAYS ENVIED THE OTHER ANIMALS THEIR SPEED, POWER AND NATURAL ARMANENT. OUR COMPENSATION HAS BEEN OUR MINDS, ITS TOO BAD AS A RACE WE HAVE NOT MADE AS GOOD USE OF IT AS THE OTHER CRITTERS HAVE OF THEIR ABILITYS.

Norman McCormick · 3rd January 2008, 04:10 PM

Thanks. I reckon you've hit the nail on the head, if man had spent more time helping each other rather than trying to impose their values on each other, well, who knows where we might have been. Having said that the history of mans ingenious use of artifacts in his pursuit of dominance and protection of personal or community property is what we all enjoy on this forum so I suppose we can't have it all.
Regards,
Norman.

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2nd January 2008, 10:03 PM	#1
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,458	The non-shedding of blood was indeed a tenet of much religious dogma in many religions, however an 'instrument' such as a mace would not be very effective in such use as bloodshed would be inevitable. In the case of the use of the horns, the effect would be clear as well. In the case of the cult known as 'thuggee' which we have discussed on a concurrent thread, the 'weapon' used was the noose, strategically used to avoid the spilling of blood as dictated in thier religious dogma.

2nd January 2008, 10:05 PM	#2
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,458	Hi Vandoo, We must have posted at the same time. Very well said, and I especially like your matador analogy!! All the best, Jim

2nd January 2008, 10:28 PM	#3
Norman McCormick Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,632	I would suspect any sharp and pointy object wielded by man to be capable of spilling copious amounts of blood, just ask any bull. Regards, Norman.

2nd January 2008, 10:43 PM	#4
Norman McCormick Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,632	My apologies Vandoo I didn't read the second "not' plus my wife was speaking to me at the same time and for some reason she seemed to think what she was saying was more important than what I was reading. Regards, Norman.

2nd January 2008, 11:52 PM	#5
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	NO PROBLEM SOMETIMES MY THOUGHT'S DON'T COME THRU VERY CLEAR AND I WAS NOT AN }A} STUDENT IN ENGLISH SO MY USE OF IT IS A BIT UNORTHADOX ,WE WON'T EVEN GET INTO MY SPELLING WE ALL DO THE BEST WE CAN HERE ON THE FORUM, IT IS ESPECIALLY DIFFICULT FOR THOSE WHO'S NATIVE LANGUAGE IS NOT ENGLISH. I REALLY APPRECIATE THE EXTRA WORK THEY DO JUST TO POST ON THIS FORUM. I WOULD NOT KNOW WHERE TO START TO POST ON A FORUM IN ANOTHER LANGUAGE. TO GET BACK ON TOPIC OR NEAR IT AT LEAST MAN HAS BORROWED WEAPONS AND THE IDEAS FOR THEM FROM THE ANIMAL KINGDOM SINCE ANCIENT TIMES. WE WERE NOT BLESSED WITH BIG FANGS, CLAWS, HORNS, SPINES OR SHARP HOOFS WE ARE SLOW ,WEAK AND FRAGILE COMPARED TO MOST OF THE CRITTERS WE ARE AROUND. WE ARE JUST LUCKY INSECTS ARE SMALL OR WE PROBABLY WOULD BE EXTINCT. WE HAVE USED SHARK TEETH,STINGRAY AND OTHER FISH SPINES AS WELL AS SHARP SHELLS FROM THE SEA. HORNS, CLAWS AND FANGS FROM ANIMALS AS WELL AS WEAPONS FASHONED FROM WOOD,STONE, BONE AND METALS THAT COPY THEIR FORMS. THE DESIRE OF MAN TO PROVE THEY ARE A GREAT HUNTER OR WARRIOR HAS ALWAYS CAUSED SOME TO PIT THEMSELVES AGAINST THE MOST DANGEROUS CRITTERS. THAT ALSO LED TO THE KEEPING OF TROPHYS AS A BADGE OF YOUR ACCOMPLISHMENTS TO IMPRESS THE GIRLS AND OTHER GUYS. I GUESS WE HAVE ALWAYS ENVIED THE OTHER ANIMALS THEIR SPEED, POWER AND NATURAL ARMANENT. OUR COMPENSATION HAS BEEN OUR MINDS, ITS TOO BAD AS A RACE WE HAVE NOT MADE AS GOOD USE OF IT AS THE OTHER CRITTERS HAVE OF THEIR ABILITYS.

3rd January 2008, 04:10 PM	#6
Norman McCormick Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,632	Thanks. I reckon you've hit the nail on the head, if man had spent more time helping each other rather than trying to impose their values on each other, well, who knows where we might have been. Having said that the history of mans ingenious use of artifacts in his pursuit of dominance and protection of personal or community property is what we all enjoy on this forum so I suppose we can't have it all. Regards, Norman.