I need some more informations over Khanda swords

dralin23 · 5th December 2007, 08:01 PM

hi jim, hi katana
thanks for the congrats! yes it is an nice patisa ore maybe an khanda. the intresting is , it is not an flat blade , this blade got an small middle ridge!! it is unusual. all my khandablades are flat with cutting edges and these are stronger in the center. these hole ar not under the backplates it is in the area from the blade. see the picture again.
regards, stefan

spiral · 5th December 2007, 09:57 PM

I still wouldnt rule out a nail hole, a 2mm hole is big enoughh for a good massonary or carpentry nail.

Spiral

ALEX · 6th December 2007, 05:59 PM

There are only 3 choices - wall hanging, decoration or symbol signifying some kind of event, i.e. x-number of killed, etc. It'd be a difficult guess, since it can be ANY of those. I also have a Yataghan with hole in the center of the blade, and it is definitely not for hanging on the wall - because of the ears:-) and it is drilled in a special manner, so I preclude it was made for decoration purposes. I could not find an original owner's manual, so again - just a guess:-)

Jens Nordlunde · 6th December 2007, 06:13 PM

Hi Alex,
Nice to hear from you, and the hole in your blade is strange, as it would normally be fulled with gold/brass. I have never seen it like the hole on your blade before.
Jens

Jim McDougall · 7th December 2007, 04:06 AM

I think the folklore associated with edged weapons is intriguing, although typically the tales remain just that, extremely imaginative folklore. It is true however, that superstition, talismanic beliefs and myth were often deeply believed and observed by the individuals using the weapons.

As far as I know, many of the romanticized tales that claim certain modifications or applications on edged weapons such as gold or brass filled holes, or filed notches etc. were deliberately placed to represent the number of killed enemies etc. has never been proven.As I previously had mentioned, the myth of the notched grip on gunfighters revolvers is equally unproven, and the tale was largely the product of the embellishing writers of the period.

While bravery and the killing of the enemy in battle was of course often celebrated, and certainly there were certain elements of either dress or accoutrement that might be worn representing such deeds, but to keep tally on a weapon in numeric marking...mostly the product of misinterpretation or collectors imaginations. Naturally I would be fascinated to see supported examples of such markings on weapons.

As for decoration, I cannot see how a huge drilled hole that seems machine drilled in the center of the blade could have any decorative or symbolic value. It also seems that a hole drilled through the blade in this location would enormously compromise the integrity of the blade, at least this was what was suggested when considering blades with slotted holes to hold sliding bearings or pearls (tears of the wounded). While as Jens has noted, some blades did have hollowed out spots on them that were filled with gold or brass, some they were usually in some systemic arrangement or strategically placed, and huge like this completely through the blade.

That would leave the dreadful thought of this very attractive yataghan screwed to something in some sort of display, though I cannot imagine what someone could be thinking by doing that!

Gavin Nugent · 7th December 2007, 05:44 AM

Hi all, regarding the posting from Alex...

This would not be the first blade I have seen drilled in the manner, although I have not seen this type of weapon drilled, I have seen many Khyber knives and cavalry swords drilled in this manner here in Australia over the years and the pairs secured with a countersunk screw to have the weapons in a crossed fashion for mounting.

With the type of hilt present on this blade I don't see it being too hard to have a block of wood used as a spacer behind with a long screw to keep the setting all square and presentable. If I stumble across any again or images of this type of mounting I will post them in future discussions.
And Jim, if you are reading this I have not forgotten the symbolism in your trademark forum, just super busy during this silly season.

Gav

Jim McDougall · 7th December 2007, 06:02 AM

Hi Gav,
Thank you for that information......I hadnt thought of the crossed swords display, and the bolt through would perfectly explain how they might have often done that...travesty that it is .

Thank you also for the kind note regarding the trademark thread....we'll keep it going and we're making great progress. I really look forward to your additions!

All the best,
Jim

ALEX · 23rd December 2007, 12:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by freebooter

...With the type of hilt present on this blade I don't see it being too hard to have a block of wood used as a spacer behind with a long screw to keep the setting all square and presentable. ...
Gav

Good point Gav,
I looked closely at the yataghan's blade from the top, and noticed a small curvature/bend at the center of the blade where the hole is. Could it be caused by mounting it via the hole? Not sure if the tension of the bent blade can leave it permanently curved.

5th December 2007, 08:01 PM	#1
dralin23 Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 209	the hole hi jim, hi katana thanks for the congrats! yes it is an nice patisa ore maybe an khanda. the intresting is , it is not an flat blade , this blade got an small middle ridge!! it is unusual. all my khandablades are flat with cutting edges and these are stronger in the center. these hole ar not under the backplates it is in the area from the blade. see the picture again. regards, stefan Attached Images

6th December 2007, 05:59 PM	#3
ALEX Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 936	There are only 3 choices - wall hanging, decoration or symbol signifying some kind of event, i.e. x-number of killed, etc. It'd be a difficult guess, since it can be ANY of those. I also have a Yataghan with hole in the center of the blade, and it is definitely not for hanging on the wall - because of the ears:-) and it is drilled in a special manner, so I preclude it was made for decoration purposes. I could not find an original owner's manual, so again - just a guess:-) Attached Images

7th December 2007, 05:44 AM	#6
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	Hole in blade Hi all, regarding the posting from Alex... This would not be the first blade I have seen drilled in the manner, although I have not seen this type of weapon drilled, I have seen many Khyber knives and cavalry swords drilled in this manner here in Australia over the years and the pairs secured with a countersunk screw to have the weapons in a crossed fashion for mounting. With the type of hilt present on this blade I don't see it being too hard to have a block of wood used as a spacer behind with a long screw to keep the setting all square and presentable. If I stumble across any again or images of this type of mounting I will post them in future discussions. And Jim, if you are reading this I have not forgotten the symbolism in your trademark forum, just super busy during this silly season. Gav

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5th December 2007, 09:57 PM	#2
spiral Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,712	I still wouldnt rule out a nail hole, a 2mm hole is big enoughh for a good massonary or carpentry nail. Spiral

6th December 2007, 06:13 PM	#4
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Hi Alex, Nice to hear from you, and the hole in your blade is strange, as it would normally be fulled with gold/brass. I have never seen it like the hole on your blade before. Jens

7th December 2007, 04:06 AM	#5
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,344	I think the folklore associated with edged weapons is intriguing, although typically the tales remain just that, extremely imaginative folklore. It is true however, that superstition, talismanic beliefs and myth were often deeply believed and observed by the individuals using the weapons. As far as I know, many of the romanticized tales that claim certain modifications or applications on edged weapons such as gold or brass filled holes, or filed notches etc. were deliberately placed to represent the number of killed enemies etc. has never been proven.As I previously had mentioned, the myth of the notched grip on gunfighters revolvers is equally unproven, and the tale was largely the product of the embellishing writers of the period. While bravery and the killing of the enemy in battle was of course often celebrated, and certainly there were certain elements of either dress or accoutrement that might be worn representing such deeds, but to keep tally on a weapon in numeric marking...mostly the product of misinterpretation or collectors imaginations. Naturally I would be fascinated to see supported examples of such markings on weapons. As for decoration, I cannot see how a huge drilled hole that seems machine drilled in the center of the blade could have any decorative or symbolic value. It also seems that a hole drilled through the blade in this location would enormously compromise the integrity of the blade, at least this was what was suggested when considering blades with slotted holes to hold sliding bearings or pearls (tears of the wounded). While as Jens has noted, some blades did have hollowed out spots on them that were filled with gold or brass, some they were usually in some systemic arrangement or strategically placed, and huge like this completely through the blade. That would leave the dreadful thought of this very attractive yataghan screwed to something in some sort of display, though I cannot imagine what someone could be thinking by doing that!

7th December 2007, 06:02 AM	#7
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,344	Hi Gav, Thank you for that information......I hadnt thought of the crossed swords display, and the bolt through would perfectly explain how they might have often done that...travesty that it is . Thank you also for the kind note regarding the trademark thread....we'll keep it going and we're making great progress. I really look forward to your additions! All the best, Jim