Unknown Short Sword Or Big Knife

Chris Evans · 6th November 2007, 02:31 AM

Hi Battara,

Quote:

Originally Posted by Battara

It is not Filipino. I was originally thinking Mexican, high ranking officer.

If Mexican, where would the local cutlers have obtained such a hefty piece of horn? I mean it looks more like that of water buffalo or similar than cattle. Also, how did they make the pommel and separator - Would they have had the means to? Of course, all of this could have been taken from another weapon. Or else, the complete piece was made in Europe. Just my thoughts.

Cheers
Chris

Battara · 8th November 2007, 01:42 AM

Horn? Thank you Chris - I missed that one. In that case, it may be Filipino after all but in more Spanish style.

Although - there was a lot of trade between Mexico and the Philippines for centuries....

Robert · 28th October 2008, 11:16 PM

A few more pictures. I hope these help.

trenchwarfare · 29th October 2008, 03:47 AM

I sold a very similar knife on ebay a while back. Is this it? Frog looks different. If same, was an ebay purchase. Seller said it was carried by an Italian officer, in Ethiopia, pre WWI?

Robert · 29th October 2008, 04:36 AM

Trenchwarfare, Thank you for responding to this post and for the information. To be honest I really can't remember exactly how long that I have had this knife but I believe that I bought it about 2 years (or maybe a little longer) ago on ebay. The frog is the one that came with it when I bought it. Was the grip on the one that you had made of water buffalo horn? Thanks again.

Robert

trenchwarfare · 29th October 2008, 03:53 PM

Robert. I'm pretty sure this is the same knife. Sold it a couple of years ago. I've sold hundreds of knives on ebay, but remember everyone. Many were, and are hard to part with. I have a limited budget, so can't keep 'em all. Got to stay focused. But, when you love cold steel, it's hard to do. Looks like you repaired the scabbard, near the tip? The one I had was broken there. Can't tell in the pictures, but the knife I had was discolored at the point, from being in a fire. Yes, it had a Horn handle. The reason I wanted to believe the Italian connection, was the European style frog, and the "Romanesque" brass handle spacer. Seems that the frog was more tan colored? Whatever it is, it's a very nice piece. Good luck with a positive ID. M.P.

Robert · 29th October 2008, 04:30 PM

Yes I did repair the scabbard tip after it arrived to keep it from breaking off completely. The difference in color on the frog is due to the mink oil that I use to help preserve the leather on the scabbards of all the items that I have. The discoloration on the tip of the blade came disappeared when I cleaned off the small amount of rust that was starting to accumulate there. I know how you feel, I find it very hard to let go of any of my edged friends. Thank you again for your interest and help on this.

Robert

28th October 2008, 11:16 PM	#3
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	A few more pictures. I hope these help. Attached Images

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8th November 2007, 01:42 AM	#2
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,280	Horn? Thank you Chris - I missed that one. In that case, it may be Filipino after all but in more Spanish style. Although - there was a lot of trade between Mexico and the Philippines for centuries....

29th October 2008, 03:47 AM	#4
trenchwarfare Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 385	I sold a very similar knife on ebay a while back. Is this it? Frog looks different. If same, was an ebay purchase. Seller said it was carried by an Italian officer, in Ethiopia, pre WWI?

29th October 2008, 04:36 AM	#5
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	Trenchwarfare, Thank you for responding to this post and for the information. To be honest I really can't remember exactly how long that I have had this knife but I believe that I bought it about 2 years (or maybe a little longer) ago on ebay. The frog is the one that came with it when I bought it. Was the grip on the one that you had made of water buffalo horn? Thanks again. Robert

29th October 2008, 03:53 PM	#6
trenchwarfare Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 385	Robert. I'm pretty sure this is the same knife. Sold it a couple of years ago. I've sold hundreds of knives on ebay, but remember everyone. Many were, and are hard to part with. I have a limited budget, so can't keep 'em all. Got to stay focused. But, when you love cold steel, it's hard to do. Looks like you repaired the scabbard, near the tip? The one I had was broken there. Can't tell in the pictures, but the knife I had was discolored at the point, from being in a fire. Yes, it had a Horn handle. The reason I wanted to believe the Italian connection, was the European style frog, and the "Romanesque" brass handle spacer. Seems that the frog was more tan colored? Whatever it is, it's a very nice piece. Good luck with a positive ID. M.P.

29th October 2008, 04:30 PM	#7
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	Yes I did repair the scabbard tip after it arrived to keep it from breaking off completely. The difference in color on the frog is due to the mink oil that I use to help preserve the leather on the scabbards of all the items that I have. The discoloration on the tip of the blade came disappeared when I cleaned off the small amount of rust that was starting to accumulate there. I know how you feel, I find it very hard to let go of any of my edged friends. Thank you again for your interest and help on this. Robert