Steel grip Kukri, info?

kai · 30th September 2007, 07:47 PM

Hello Tim,

Nice one! Seems pure Nepali to me - just trying to bait Spiral & Co.

Regards,
Kai

spiral · 30th September 2007, 10:03 PM

Your doing well Tim! you should start collecting them!

OK Kai Bait taken!

I would say its Indian probably erly 20th century & pre.1930 at latest , A nice ek chirra blade, shame about the silver lifted of by the rust but one sees them that way more often than not. Thier not commen but they do turn up a couple of times a year.

Cant realy see the karda & chakmak Tim? or is it twin kardas, how long are they? what do they look like? I see theirs a tinder pouch as well.

Scabbard appears in very good condition, & it is certanly a kukri many collectors would be happy to own. I can think of one at least who hasnt one in his collection, most of the newer more recent budding collectors as well I am sure..

I always usualy the ek chirra as quite serious fighting blades, this would most likley have been brough by a Brit. officer or some such. The grips provide a solid & textured hold as well.

As for re finnishing the silver, thats your choice, they do look nice done in the original blue/black steel & silver. But each to thier own regarding what restoration/refinnishing is appropriate.

Spiral

BBJW · 1st October 2007, 01:57 AM

Nice cho, but I don't think the scabbard is the original. I think it is a little older than Spiral does. Email me if you want to sell.

Cheers
bbjw

Jim McDougall · 1st October 2007, 04:51 AM

Excellent assessment Spiral! It seems you and BBJW are well versed in kukri!
I am never really sure which fields everyone is specializing in (except the obvious dha, Moro, and keris guys

) I always enjoy learning more about all of them, so if you would, could you please clarify the terms;
ek chirra, karda, chakmak

BTW, very attractive example Tim, you've really been busy!!!

kai · 1st October 2007, 07:33 AM

Yeah, I also noticed the nice cho and fullers...

Thanks, Jonathan for setting me straight!

BTW, are there any hints to look for wether a blade from Nepal may have got rehilted in India?

Is (or rather was) the production of good quality khukuris in northern India restricted to ethnic groups also present in Nepal?

Quote:

could you please clarify the terms; ek chirra, karda, chakmak

1. double fullers
2. utility knife
3. knife-like tool for setting the edge

Regards,
Kai

Tim Simmons · 1st October 2007, 09:58 AM

I am certain its the right scabbard. Sadly it has the almost standard spilt in the side. I would like to compere this Kukri with another later. Pictures without so much refection from the blade. The small knives are in total length 11cm and 9.5cm. The tinder thing is just a piece of leather.

spiral · 1st October 2007, 11:32 AM

Yep scabbard, karda look 1920s to me & probably original. The chakmak & pouches may be a replacments. contempary though.

Years ago the "word" on these is that they were 1850s or Victorean & were usualy sold as such. but all the provinanced examples {4} Ive seen were 20th century. Some may be indeed be older though.

Some of these come with fancy scabbards & kardas , but most started out like this.

Many of the these were made in the 1920s.

BBJW have you seen older positivly dated pieces in this style? Details would be good.

Thanks.

Sorry I should definatly have said dia chirra blade

Chirra is the deep fullers, valleys or litraly divisions. ek is one , dia is two etc. but in Nepali language you cant actualy have one divisions, so they say angh khoala which means back valley for a single fuller.

India has ethnic groups like Garhwallis & Kuamon & many others who have used & made kukris for centurys. They are still Himalayen hill tribes as races though. And as you say Gurkhas also populate parts of India due to service in Brit.Indian army etc.

Kai Its generaly easier to talk about kukri when shown examples to discus, this is a typicle Indian blade & handle made like that from step one I think.

Have you a kukri you think that has happend to?

Here a couple in this style I belive to be early 20th century.

Father & son style kukri......

Spiral

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30th September 2007, 07:47 PM	#1
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,255	Hello Tim, Nice one! Seems pure Nepali to me - just trying to bait Spiral & Co. Regards, Kai

30th September 2007, 10:03 PM	#2
spiral Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,712	Your doing well Tim! you should start collecting them! OK Kai Bait taken! I would say its Indian probably erly 20th century & pre.1930 at latest , A nice ek chirra blade, shame about the silver lifted of by the rust but one sees them that way more often than not. Thier not commen but they do turn up a couple of times a year. Cant realy see the karda & chakmak Tim? or is it twin kardas, how long are they? what do they look like? I see theirs a tinder pouch as well. Scabbard appears in very good condition, & it is certanly a kukri many collectors would be happy to own. I can think of one at least who hasnt one in his collection, most of the newer more recent budding collectors as well I am sure.. I always usualy the ek chirra as quite serious fighting blades, this would most likley have been brough by a Brit. officer or some such. The grips provide a solid & textured hold as well. As for re finnishing the silver, thats your choice, they do look nice done in the original blue/black steel & silver. But each to thier own regarding what restoration/refinnishing is appropriate. Spiral

1st October 2007, 01:57 AM	#3
BBJW Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Idaho, USA Posts: 230	Nice cho, but I don't think the scabbard is the original. I think it is a little older than Spiral does. Email me if you want to sell. Cheers bbjw

1st October 2007, 04:51 AM	#4
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,453	Excellent assessment Spiral! It seems you and BBJW are well versed in kukri! I am never really sure which fields everyone is specializing in (except the obvious dha, Moro, and keris guys ) I always enjoy learning more about all of them, so if you would, could you please clarify the terms; ek chirra, karda, chakmak BTW, very attractive example Tim, you've really been busy!!!

1st October 2007, 09:58 AM	#6
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,875	I am certain its the right scabbard. Sadly it has the almost standard spilt in the side. I would like to compere this Kukri with another later. Pictures without so much refection from the blade. The small knives are in total length 11cm and 9.5cm. The tinder thing is just a piece of leather.

1st October 2007, 11:32 AM	#7
spiral Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,712	Yep scabbard, karda look 1920s to me & probably original. The chakmak & pouches may be a replacments. contempary though. Years ago the "word" on these is that they were 1850s or Victorean & were usualy sold as such. but all the provinanced examples {4} Ive seen were 20th century. Some may be indeed be older though. Some of these come with fancy scabbards & kardas , but most started out like this. Many of the these were made in the 1920s. BBJW have you seen older positivly dated pieces in this style? Details would be good. Thanks. Sorry I should definatly have said dia chirra blade Chirra is the deep fullers, valleys or litraly divisions. ek is one , dia is two etc. but in Nepali language you cant actualy have one divisions, so they say angh khoala which means back valley for a single fuller. India has ethnic groups like Garhwallis & Kuamon & many others who have used & made kukris for centurys. They are still Himalayen hill tribes as races though. And as you say Gurkhas also populate parts of India due to service in Brit.Indian army etc. Kai Its generaly easier to talk about kukri when shown examples to discus, this is a typicle Indian blade & handle made like that from step one I think. Have you a kukri you think that has happend to? Here a couple in this style I belive to be early 20th century. Father & son style kukri...... Spiral