Stone club.

Tim Simmons · 11th August 2007, 09:21 AM

I just had to add this pic of the Cerne Abbas giant. Well I have to blow my own trumpet.

Tim Simmons · 28th September 2008, 02:59 PM

This establishes the use of chert/flint and is a continuation of form although different in construction. As we know flint was exported so a variation in construction should be expected. The same form can also be seen on a New Caledoean club if you scroll through Oceania. The same bird head club,pick,war hammer? is widespread, seen in many Islands in these parts of the South Western Pacific.

http://webprojects.prm.ox.ac.uk/arms...a/1900.55.178/

Tim Simmons · 29th September 2008, 07:19 PM

More reference to the use of flint. Solomons

http://www.jstor.org/pss/1782830

Tim Simmons · 18th April 2009, 06:38 PM

I have just recevieved a book "The Traditional Pottery of Papua New Guinea"

Okay the book is not about weapons however it does cast a very bright light on trading.

We accept the trade of European steel weapons and lets call it the Red Sea trade of steel weapons to areas without the skill to produce quite the same weapon or if not so much the skill but quantity.

The trading could help explain why one cannot point to another club exactly the same. As mentioned before it may seem strange to us why a nodule of flint might be so valuable. This series of picture shows the scale of trading. They also show how flint would be traded to islands that naturally have no flint. As I am a bit dumb and slow I will do this by a series of replies to this post.

Tim Simmons · 18th April 2009, 06:49 PM

This picture shows pots ready to be traded by the Muto people, an annual trading festival and expidition known as "Hiri" Also a picture of the trading canoe. The pictures are turn of the 19/20th century.
These expeditions included the Torres Straits Islands, we know from previous post of the trade of flint from Australia from Cape York to the Torres Straits possibly other islands. I am sure they could put a few stone in this trading canoe even if it was just balast.

Tim Simmons · 18th April 2009, 06:55 PM

These pictures show what lengths some people have to go to to obtain substances we just do not think about. A there and back trip from Nabwageta Island to Fergusson Island of say 40KM must put some value on the clay as raw material. Could put a few stones in the bottom of the canoe?

Tim Simmons · 18th April 2009, 06:58 PM

Taking the goodies home to the far flung Islands. Could put a few stones in the canoe here too.

fearn · 18th April 2009, 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Simmons

These pictures show what lengths some people have to go to to obtain substances we just do not think about. A there and back trip from Nabwageta Island to Fergusson Island of say 40KM must put some value on the clay as raw material. Could put a few stones in the bottom of the canoe?

I guess. In North America, they were trading copper from the great lakes for shell from the gulf. Or the anasazi were getting macaw feathers and chocolate from Mexico.

I'd guess that trade's an old, old human phenomenon. That said, it's still fun to see those pictures.

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colin henshaw · 21st June 2012, 08:49 AM

Tim,

Here is an illustration from the book "History of Mankind" by F Ratzel. The stone club described as from Brazil.

Tim Simmons · 14th December 2015, 04:50 PM

This study kind of puts the Kibosh on the long held view that flint/chert was not available to much of the volcanic South Pacific.

file:///C:/Users/Tim/Downloads/Ward%20&%20Smith%201974%20Mankind%209%20[2].pdf

Copy and paste what is above might work, if not use the link below.

https://www.researchgate.net/publica...STIGATION_1974

11th August 2007, 09:21 AM	#1
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,843	Just for fun I just had to add this pic of the Cerne Abbas giant. Well I have to blow my own trumpet. Attached Images

28th September 2008, 02:59 PM	#2
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,843	bubbling up again This establishes the use of chert/flint and is a continuation of form although different in construction. As we know flint was exported so a variation in construction should be expected. The same form can also be seen on a New Caledoean club if you scroll through Oceania. The same bird head club,pick,war hammer? is widespread, seen in many Islands in these parts of the South Western Pacific. http://webprojects.prm.ox.ac.uk/arms...a/1900.55.178/

18th April 2009, 06:49 PM	#5
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,843	This picture shows pots ready to be traded by the Muto people, an annual trading festival and expidition known as "Hiri" Also a picture of the trading canoe. The pictures are turn of the 19/20th century. These expeditions included the Torres Straits Islands, we know from previous post of the trade of flint from Australia from Cape York to the Torres Straits possibly other islands. I am sure they could put a few stone in this trading canoe even if it was just balast. Attached Images

18th April 2009, 06:55 PM	#6
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,843	These pictures show what lengths some people have to go to to obtain substances we just do not think about. A there and back trip from Nabwageta Island to Fergusson Island of say 40KM must put some value on the clay as raw material. Could put a few stones in the bottom of the canoe? Attached Images

18th April 2009, 06:58 PM	#7
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,843	Taking the goodies home to the far flung Islands. Could put a few stones in the canoe here too. Attached Images

29th September 2008, 07:19 PM	#3
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,843	More reference to the use of flint. Solomons http://www.jstor.org/pss/1782830

18th April 2009, 06:38 PM	#4
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,843	I have just recevieved a book "The Traditional Pottery of Papua New Guinea" Okay the book is not about weapons however it does cast a very bright light on trading. We accept the trade of European steel weapons and lets call it the Red Sea trade of steel weapons to areas without the skill to produce quite the same weapon or if not so much the skill but quantity. The trading could help explain why one cannot point to another club exactly the same. As mentioned before it may seem strange to us why a nodule of flint might be so valuable. This series of picture shows the scale of trading. They also show how flint would be traded to islands that naturally have no flint. As I am a bit dumb and slow I will do this by a series of replies to this post.

21st June 2012, 08:49 AM	#9
colin henshaw Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,429	Tim, Here is an illustration from the book "History of Mankind" by F Ratzel. The stone club described as from Brazil. Attached Images

14th December 2015, 04:50 PM	#10
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,843	This study kind of puts the Kibosh on the long held view that flint/chert was not available to much of the volcanic South Pacific. file:///C:/Users/Tim/Downloads/Ward%20&%20Smith%201974%20Mankind%209%20[2].pdf Copy and paste what is above might work, if not use the link below. https://www.researchgate.net/publica...STIGATION_1974

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