Photgraphy Question regarding Ivory Kris

[BSMStar]

Sorry I got in late on this...

These things just creep me out. I would say "Awesome Kris, let me know if you want to get rid of it," but after what happen with the last ivory hilt I got... my wife will not let get another one. I am serious. Dude, treat it with respect.

Hey Zelbone!

Long time no hear... I hope you are doing well! Keep me in mind too.

[Spunjer]

sorry, took awhile to respond, but i was trying to adjust with time change.

I would suggest a large cover with substantial Hebew and Javanese power symbols (since you mention SOLOman) to be sure that this kris does not carry out nocturnal missions. Be careful!

bill, not sure about that. but what i keep going back to was what a maranao told me when i inquired about the esoterics: swords with strong talismanic symbols were meant for their original owner, once in someone else's possession of another it sets off a curse. but i guess that's what makes these collection so interesting sometimes; the stories that goes with it. to counter it with another hocus focus won't help explain the unknown. i realize there's a lot of stuff out there we don't know about, reason i try to keep an open mind.

one thing for sure tho; my family haven't slept this peacefully in awhile. but i must attribute that to being on vacation...

[Mare Rosu]

Spunjer;
Have another idea, I just did an Iron filling test on a dagger I just got see;
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=4979
Why not try it on your blade? If there is energy emitting form the blade I would think it would have an associated magnetic field around it as well. You might want to test it with a compass ( I have a good supply first just to see if it would change directions.
Gene

[Jeff D]

WOW! Demonic forces are universal. The exact same thing happens with all Kilijs and shashkas. If you have any, for the love of God and your families send them to me for safe keeping.

Jeff

[zelbone]

Spunger,
Sorry I couldn't answer your text more promptly, but you texted my US phone which I left back in the city. Try my SMART phone next time. Anyways, I got your detailed email and hopefully the information I sent you will help you sleep better. Hope you found the history of the kris "interesting." I think you'll need Mabagani's help with this. He could at least point you in the right direction. You may also need the assistance of "the quiet one."

But honestly, I don't think the information will help you. You may need to take a trip with it to Siasi...if you can get there. Otherwise maybe an albularyo can help you. Again, seek the "quiet one." Just the other day I had to seek an albularyo to excorcise an old binangon and plamenko with a "special" blade that I picked up in Lambunao (you're Ilongo....you know what I mean ) The family that gave it to me claims they have the blood of an aswang staining the blades and it's been giving them bad luck since. A visit to the albularyo took care of that and oraciones and talismans were engraved on the blades by a panday with the supervision of the albularyo. I'll send you some pics when I get a decent WiFi signal or at an internet cafe.

Regards,

Zel

PS...Sorry I have to correspond through here, bro. Getting my email can be spotty at times, but somehow I can log into here. Sorry for the inconvenience. I'll be deep jungle for a few days....just text me on my SMART phone. Ingat 'tol!

[Bill M]

Originally Posted by Spunjer

bill, not sure about that. but what i keep going back to was what a maranao told me when i inquired about the esoterics: swords with strong talismanic symbols were meant for their original owner, once in someone else's possession of another it sets off a curse. but i guess that's what makes these collection so interesting sometimes; the stories that goes with it. to counter it with another hocus focus won't help explain the unknown. i realize there's a lot of stuff out there we don't know about, reason i try to keep an open mind.

one thing for sure tho; my family haven't slept this peacefully in awhile. but i must attribute that to being on vacation...

Well, I wouldn't put it under my pillow. I have a few pieces that I keep outside my home, but since I live in a warehouse, they are still secure.

I understand that many shaministic pieces from various cultures can contain spirits, Jen, that were attached to their original owners. It is believed that without the proper rituals to keep them happy and in place, they can become problems.

In some cultures these pieces were destroyed or substantially damaged/altered in order to release the spirits, or at least make the pieces unusable by other people.

Some Indonesian keris have been taken out to sea and thrown into deep water. I don't suggest you do this with a beautiful artifact like you have, but this could also be an alternative.

Not knowing the original history of your kris -- though I strongly sense that someone you know does know a great deal about its "past life" -- (just a feeling I have) I would take the suggestions of Zel and especially Mabagani, whom I greatly respect, and do what they say.

In my past delving into metaphysical matters that began to get "hot," I was impressed by the Jesuits. They have some powerful exorcism rituals, and they know how to use them. But I have only experienced this in regard to them exorcising people.

All things happen for a reason, and God never works on only one person at a time. I wish you and yours peace and understanding.

It is good to have you posting again.

[Battara]

Originally Posted by BSMStar

Long time no hear... I hope you are doing well! Keep me in mind too.

It is good to hear from both of you. Zel.....please keep me in mind as well on your book...

[Andrew]

Zel, great to hear you're planning on publishing. It's a shame it will be such a limited run. Frankly, I'd be happy to pay handsomely for a book like you've described, and I'm sure you would have many potential customers in the States.

[Montino Bourbon]

Piqued my curiosity!

C'mon, give!

[Spunjer]

These things just creep me out. I would say "Awesome Kris, let me know if
you want to get rid of it,"...

hi bsmstar,
i think there's a limit with what i want to have, versus the safety of my love ones. i'm still waiting on labantayo's response...

zel,
got ur text and tried calling you last night but forgot about the half day time difference, lol. you mentioned siasi. but why siasi? clearly, this is a classic tawi-tawi piece. the only siasi connection i can get from this is the handle type and style, unless of course... anyways, the albularyo or babaylan as we call them, angle sounds good, but the best ones i know are from tanduyan in ajuy, iloilo. even then, it's been awhile. also, dunno about them messing with moro hocus focus tho. i got an idea: why can't i just send this over there to you, and perhaps do the necessary thing? i'm looking at 2, perhaps 3 years before i get to visit again. i really hate to inconvinience the quiet one for something petty like this. btw, yeah, i've already contacted mabagani in regards to this. pm me or leave a message what would be a good time and date that i can call you.

mare rosu,
i've been reading that thread with interest, and would definitely like to try that. here's another cool one i tried with this sword: if you have a flourescent tube light, and with a dimmer switch, try set the switch to the lowest level. now place the sword next to the tube. now gently slide it against the tube and watch the light dance. might be an old trick with the veteran collectors, but nevertheless, found this out by accident. pretty neat trick, lol.

bill,
you said:

I understand that many shaministic pieces from various cultures can contain spirits, Jen, that were attached to their original owners. It is believed
that without the proper rituals to keep them happy and in place, they can
become problems

therein lies the problem. if one has to believe the esoteric side of these swords, to really know it intimately, rather than it looks neat and it belong to these group of warriors, then we must delve deeper into it. unfortunately, the most knowledgeable members (plural) who actually travelled and studied these weapons on both the physical and metaphysical aspects of it are no longer here. to haphazard some mumbo jumbo ritual without knowing what's going on is akin to placing me in the cockpit of a 747 just because i know how to drive a car and they both have steering wheels and speedometer. it's easy to bring up the indonesian train of thought in this matter. as a matter of fact, i've been following the thread "of keris and spirits" on the other page with great interest. ah, but these two aren't quite the same, as even the mods clearly shows that they don't belong in the same category. even among the bisayans in the philippines, the babaylan will have a totally different ritual than a manughilot, another local medicine man. so my thinking is, without knowing the proper method, why take a chance. for all i know, i could be doing the opposite i really didn't want to see, lol. all that aside, my western upbringing says there's a logical reasoning behind all of these; a scientific explanation, but my eastern background keeps nagging me as to why i try to reason an eastern object with a western way of thinking.
as far as jesuits go:
this jesuit hocus focus sword is not helping me any, lol.

[David]

Originally Posted by Spunjer

pm me or leave a message what would be a good time and date that i can call you.

Since much of this conversation involves nudges,winks and allusions to certain secret individuals and privilaged occult information which no one seems prepared to share with the entire class i would think that a great deal of this thread would probably be more appropriate to the medium of PM.

Originally Posted by Spunjer

even among the bisayans in the philippines, the babaylan will have a totally different ritual than a manughilot, another local medicine man.

Why do you think that is? What does it tell you about the nature of magic?

[Bill M]

Agreed. Unsubscribing from thread.