Keris Tindih -- The Neutralizer

Raden Usman Djogja · 22nd May 2007, 01:36 AM

Alan,

Whats?! you have been in Palur since '66. So, you are more native than me. Because at that time, I was still in the top of my father's manggo tree (aku isih neng pucuk wit "pelem"e Romoku).

Actually pelem means manggo. but peleme Romoku does not mean my father's manggo. it is tricky word.

Alan, since now, if there is different perception between us, you are right and I am wrong. The reason is I just started to know some words in '75 (10 years after your existence in Java).

Who is NATIVE? Since we dont inherit this world from our parents but borrow it from our children. I have sensitive feeling with a word NATIVE, especially whenever chatting with my daugther (s). The older one was born in Australia and the younger one was born in Africa a couple of weeks ago. When she feels Australian, I still cannot speak English well. When she wants to be Javanese, here, only her mother and father can understand well her language expression,.... poor. When she wants to be part of her recent classmates (french), I feel that I will be left behind sooner or later. I dont push my daughters to be Javanese since I realize that the world is much more wider than Java Island. I will let them growing up freely. But I have not prepared yet to face its consequence (no more phrase: like father like daughter). Perhaps, this phrase will insult young generation, even actually, meaningful for old generation.

OK... back to laptop/keris

Usmen

A. G. Maisey · 22nd May 2007, 08:29 AM

No, no, Pak Usmen.

I have stayed in Palur for the times I have been in Jawa since about 1982.

Before that I used to stay in a house in a lane off Jalan Kratonan.

Before that I stayed in hotels.

I went to Solo for the first time in about 1974.

I use the word "native" to refer to one's native tongue. For example, I am a native speaker of English, somebody who was born and grew up in France would be a native speaker of French. Your native tongue is Javanese.And being a native speaker of Javanese, you have tricked me with your tricky manggo.One thing is certain, I am most definitely not more Javanese than you. I am 100% Aussie, with a thin veneer of Javanese style, when this is necessary.

Please accept my most sincere congratulations for the recent addition to your family.

Raden Usman Djogja · 22nd May 2007, 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

Please accept my most sincere congratulations for the recent addition to your family.

Alan,
thank you very much
Usman

ganjawulung · 23rd May 2007, 05:59 AM

Hi All,

This is another Jalak Budo. The younger one. Probably from Singasari era or even younger. The blade is much bigger than the two first one. And some "sanak" (not too glitters) pamor in its blade. The sheath, also from forest mango wood. And the hilt, Cirebonese in the Islamic kingdom era..

23rd May 2007, 05:59 AM	#4
ganjawulung Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: J a k a r t a Posts: 991	Another Jalak Budo Hi All, This is another Jalak Budo. The younger one. Probably from Singasari era or even younger. The blade is much bigger than the two first one. And some "sanak" (not too glitters) pamor in its blade. The sheath, also from forest mango wood. And the hilt, Cirebonese in the Islamic kingdom era.. Attached Images

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22nd May 2007, 01:36 AM	#1
Raden Usman Djogja Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 199	Alan, Whats?! you have been in Palur since '66. So, you are more native than me. Because at that time, I was still in the top of my father's manggo tree (aku isih neng pucuk wit "pelem"e Romoku). Actually pelem means manggo. but peleme Romoku does not mean my father's manggo. it is tricky word. Alan, since now, if there is different perception between us, you are right and I am wrong. The reason is I just started to know some words in '75 (10 years after your existence in Java). Who is NATIVE? Since we dont inherit this world from our parents but borrow it from our children. I have sensitive feeling with a word NATIVE, especially whenever chatting with my daugther (s). The older one was born in Australia and the younger one was born in Africa a couple of weeks ago. When she feels Australian, I still cannot speak English well. When she wants to be Javanese, here, only her mother and father can understand well her language expression,.... poor. When she wants to be part of her recent classmates (french), I feel that I will be left behind sooner or later. I dont push my daughters to be Javanese since I realize that the world is much more wider than Java Island. I will let them growing up freely. But I have not prepared yet to face its consequence (no more phrase: like father like daughter). Perhaps, this phrase will insult young generation, even actually, meaningful for old generation. OK... back to laptop/keris Usmen

22nd May 2007, 08:29 AM	#2
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,019	No, no, Pak Usmen. I have stayed in Palur for the times I have been in Jawa since about 1982. Before that I used to stay in a house in a lane off Jalan Kratonan. Before that I stayed in hotels. I went to Solo for the first time in about 1974. I use the word "native" to refer to one's native tongue. For example, I am a native speaker of English, somebody who was born and grew up in France would be a native speaker of French. Your native tongue is Javanese.And being a native speaker of Javanese, you have tricked me with your tricky manggo.One thing is certain, I am most definitely not more Javanese than you. I am 100% Aussie, with a thin veneer of Javanese style, when this is necessary. Please accept my most sincere congratulations for the recent addition to your family.