Beautiful Pendray knife as well as the price!!

tsubame1 · 2nd May 2007, 03:49 PM

I wonder what Antonio thinks about this matter...

Andrew · 2nd May 2007, 03:59 PM

Personally, I love the fact modern smiths are continuing the art and traditions of the past. The Pendray blade that started this thread is an excellent example, and one I'd be proud to own.

I, myself, have several modern interpretations of my favorite weapons, and every single one is a work of art. None were inexpensive, and all cost more than I've paid for nearly any antique. I was happy to pay the price for the quality of workmanship in every instance.

Any attempt to compare the "worth" or "value" of antiques to their modern counterparts will fail. You may as well attempt to compare modern hand-crafted furniture to antique furniture.

tsubame1 · 2nd May 2007, 04:05 PM

Not to talk about modern-made swords/furnitures that are made in the same traditional way as the ancient ones making no break in the tradition.
A large part of japanese antiques are cheap junk in front of works by very
talented japanese modern makers.
Sometimes even western makers surpass lower lever antique ones.
I wonder how much this apply to other cultures as well...

Andrew · 2nd May 2007, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by tsubame1

Not to talk about modern-made swords/furnitures that are made in the same traditional way as the ancient ones making no break in the tradition.
A large part of japanese antiques are cheap junk in front of works by very
talented japanese modern makers.
Sometimes even werstern makers surpass lower lever antique ones.
I wonder how much this apply to other cultures as well...

I agree completely: some of my antiques are junk.

tsubame1 · 2nd May 2007, 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew

I agree completely: some of my antiques are junk.

My first blade wasn't worthy even of the costs of the restoration...

Antonio Cejunior · 5th May 2007, 04:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tsubame1

I wonder what Antonio thinks about this matter...

I'm flattered to suddenly see my name here, Marco.
I'm no authority on Russian art and won't claim authority on anything

IMO, however, I do have my personal taste reservations on overly decorated art pieces such as Fabergé Eggs

and cloisonée work

as I think that they belong to a very specific expression that is not to my personal taste.

Presently there is an exhibition at the Museum, called Edictus Ridiculumby a friend, Russian artist Konstantin Bessmertny which is a fantastic example of irony and criticism on the world of Gambling, the Kitsch of getting Pharaohs, Zeus sculptures on a city dominated by Casinos which inevitably do refer to the theatrical and the ridiculous. I wish you guys could see this fantastic exhibition for what it represents. He is a 20th ~21st century Bosch or Breughel.

The entire exhibition is an installation which poses us the question of what is taste and what is the excess of it.

So I will not comment on the piece specifically as it is someone else's work.

tsubame1 · 5th May 2007, 04:58 PM

Hi Antonio. Honestly I was referring to the belittling of
modern made artworks that was too strong in the replies (IMHO),
and not suggesting you're for the overdecorated ones.
I know your taste is quiet far from "Barocco Siciliano",
as is mine...

Rick · 5th May 2007, 10:16 PM

Hi Carlo,
Those stones are Garnets; were they quality rubies it would be worth the price for the stones alone .

I chipped this raw Garnet out of a quartz boulder here in New England.

Antonio Cejunior · 5th May 2007, 11:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tsubame1

Hi Antonio. Honestly I was referring to the belittling of
modern made artworks that was too strong in the replies (IMHO),
and not suggesting you're for the overdecorated ones.
I know your taste is quiet far from "Barocco Siciliano",
as is mine...

Hi Marco,

I'm sorry if I did not get it.
I think some replies extrapolate from your original post.

It is a risk.

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2nd May 2007, 03:49 PM	#1
tsubame1 Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Magenta, Northern Italy Posts: 123	I wonder what Antonio thinks about this matter...

2nd May 2007, 03:59 PM	#2
Andrew Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: USA Posts: 1,725	Personally, I love the fact modern smiths are continuing the art and traditions of the past. The Pendray blade that started this thread is an excellent example, and one I'd be proud to own. I, myself, have several modern interpretations of my favorite weapons, and every single one is a work of art. None were inexpensive, and all cost more than I've paid for nearly any antique. I was happy to pay the price for the quality of workmanship in every instance. Any attempt to compare the "worth" or "value" of antiques to their modern counterparts will fail. You may as well attempt to compare modern hand-crafted furniture to antique furniture.

5th May 2007, 04:58 PM	#7
tsubame1 Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Magenta, Northern Italy Posts: 123	Hi Antonio. Honestly I was referring to the belittling of modern made artworks that was too strong in the replies (IMHO), and not suggesting you're for the overdecorated ones. I know your taste is quiet far from "Barocco Siciliano", as is mine...