A Berber saber?

Tim Simmons · 19th February 2007, 06:17 PM

My praise might reflect that I had only been awake say 30mins. That is right that the scabbard does look as is it could well be from the PI or Mexico/South America. Perhaps it is not North African. I only know that many blades of several forms from North Africa come with this sort of scabbard with that flap bit. It is possible that the scabbard has been put with the sword it does look rather like a machete scabbard. Am I allowed to change my mind back to my original thoughts. An Iberian influence would not be out of place in Timor and there abouts

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Rick · 19th February 2007, 07:17 PM

Hi Jim, just funnin'

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I'm just pretty convinced these are not SEA.

The scabbard does not look at all like SEA work or Philippine.
All the grommets used ?

Jim McDougall · 20th February 2007, 04:57 AM

Me too Rick!!!

That scabbard sure ain't SEA, but that hilt by the same token seems more and more Indonesian, and the hilt is the key here. We know the blade is probably British M1796, and the scabbard is ????

so we have to keep looking for a comparable hilt form, and most the examples that correspond seem to be in Van Zonneveld.

All the best,
Jim

FenrisWolf · 20th February 2007, 06:12 AM

In order to keep the reference handy (for when it drops out of ebay's system) here's the scabbard on the second sword, along with a closeup:

Keep in mind this did NOT come with the sword that started this thread, but with a second example with a similar hilt.

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19th February 2007, 06:17 PM	#1
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,949	My praise might reflect that I had only been awake say 30mins. That is right that the scabbard does look as is it could well be from the PI or Mexico/South America. Perhaps it is not North African. I only know that many blades of several forms from North Africa come with this sort of scabbard with that flap bit. It is possible that the scabbard has been put with the sword it does look rather like a machete scabbard. Am I allowed to change my mind back to my original thoughts. An Iberian influence would not be out of place in Timor and there abouts .

19th February 2007, 07:17 PM	#2
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,384	Hi Jim, just funnin' . I'm just pretty convinced these are not SEA. The scabbard does not look at all like SEA work or Philippine. All the grommets used ?

20th February 2007, 04:57 AM	#3
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,782	Me too Rick!!! That scabbard sure ain't SEA, but that hilt by the same token seems more and more Indonesian, and the hilt is the key here. We know the blade is probably British M1796, and the scabbard is ???? so we have to keep looking for a comparable hilt form, and most the examples that correspond seem to be in Van Zonneveld. All the best, Jim

20th February 2007, 06:12 AM	#4
FenrisWolf Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 181	In order to keep the reference handy (for when it drops out of ebay's system) here's the scabbard on the second sword, along with a closeup: Keep in mind this did NOT come with the sword that started this thread, but with a second example with a similar hilt.