Old Knife Info...Please

fjava · 20th February 2005, 09:43 PM

I will try to take better pics...and post them asap

eftihis · 20th February 2005, 10:18 PM

This is definitely a dagger from Montenegro, i am quite sure about it, the hilt is typical.

Radu Transylvanicus · 20th February 2005, 11:17 PM

Eftihis, so this is not the soughtafter Kritis bitchaq ? Still lounging for one (not that that I know who has one ...) but just asking ...
And yes, under Ottoman influence in Balkans many, many [I]bitchaq[/I]`s like this were produced by ateliers in Montenegro

Yannis · 20th February 2005, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Radu Transylvanicus

Eftihis, so this is not the soughtafter Kritis bitchaq ? Still lounging for one (not that that I know who has one ...) but just asking ...

Radu Transylvanicus · 20th February 2005, 11:29 PM

Mr. Yannis, stop doing that you make me feel like I am evil... Eftihis, dont listen to him, I was sincere, he is a twisted man...

Yannis · 20th February 2005, 11:34 PM

Seriously now.

It could be a Montenegro dagger. Eftihis has a good library on balkan area books. But I still need better pictures.

eftihis · 21st February 2005, 08:25 AM

Hallo all, I have seen this particular pattern of handle decoration in a dagger described as "Montenegrin" in the good and accurate German dagger book of Herman Historica.
I am not near my books at the moment, i will scan the page and post a photo when i will!
In a way it is also "turkish" since it was made in a place belonged to the ottoman empire at that time, and the "original prototype" was a turkish bichaq dagger, that just took its local style and appearance.
This can be purely accidental, ie just a smith or silverworker that works in a particular style, people like what he makes, he has some students that continue this style, and this way a local variation or "school" is made.
The same is happening with Cretan daggers, and what make them special to me is that i am from Crete and they were made on my island.
Radu, thanks for understanding my feelings, be sure i wil be looking for something for you from Rumanian past.
Yiannis (by the way, nice teeth!), i will have something for you so that you will stop complaining... (maybe we will have some raki first though, so that it will look more beautifull!)

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20th February 2005, 09:43 PM	#1
fjava Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 4	I will try to take better pics...and post them asap

20th February 2005, 10:18 PM	#2
eftihis Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Chania Crete Greece Posts: 511	This is definitely a dagger from Montenegro, i am quite sure about it, the hilt is typical.

20th February 2005, 11:17 PM	#3
Radu Transylvanicus Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: 2008-2010 Bali, 1998-2008 USA Posts: 271	Eftihis, so this is not the soughtafter Kritis bitchaq ? Still lounging for one (not that that I know who has one ...) but just asking ... And yes, under Ottoman influence in Balkans many, many [I]bitchaq[/I]`s like this were produced by ateliers in Montenegro

20th February 2005, 11:29 PM	#5
Radu Transylvanicus Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: 2008-2010 Bali, 1998-2008 USA Posts: 271	Mr. Yannis, stop doing that you make me feel like I am evil... Eftihis, dont listen to him, I was sincere, he is a twisted man...

20th February 2005, 11:34 PM	#6
Yannis Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Athens Greece Posts: 479	Seriously now. It could be a Montenegro dagger. Eftihis has a good library on balkan area books. But I still need better pictures.

21st February 2005, 08:25 AM	#7
eftihis Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Chania Crete Greece Posts: 511	Hallo all, I have seen this particular pattern of handle decoration in a dagger described as "Montenegrin" in the good and accurate German dagger book of Herman Historica. I am not near my books at the moment, i will scan the page and post a photo when i will! In a way it is also "turkish" since it was made in a place belonged to the ottoman empire at that time, and the "original prototype" was a turkish bichaq dagger, that just took its local style and appearance. This can be purely accidental, ie just a smith or silverworker that works in a particular style, people like what he makes, he has some students that continue this style, and this way a local variation or "school" is made. The same is happening with Cretan daggers, and what make them special to me is that i am from Crete and they were made on my island. Radu, thanks for understanding my feelings, be sure i wil be looking for something for you from Rumanian past. Yiannis (by the way, nice teeth!), i will have something for you so that you will stop complaining... (maybe we will have some raki first though, so that it will look more beautifull!)