Arms and armor of a muslim bowyer!

Tane · 16th January 2007, 03:21 PM

Thank you very much for your help!

wolviex · 17th January 2007, 12:05 PM

Hello!
Below you'll find just a few pictures from books I had just at the hand.
You should get few book like:

War and Peace. Ottoman-Polish Relations in the 15th-19th c. - great catalogue from exhibition in Istanbul and Warsaw 1999 vastly illustrated (in Polish version 'Wojna i Pokoj' from time to time available on ebay)

B&W picture is from the book by Zdzislaw Zygulski, Ottoman art in the service of the Empire, NY 1992 -there is a small chapter on arms too, but it isn't necessary.

I believe you already have Turkish Archery and the composite bow by Paul E. Klopsteg (1947) devoted just to this subject.

regards!

Tane · 17th January 2007, 04:38 PM

Really beautiful!!! Thanks a lot!

nKante · 17th January 2007, 09:52 PM

Could some of those quivers also carry the bow? The curving shapes suggest the potential. But in all the illustrations I've seen, the bow is in use. I have seen a few drawings that showed the archers with the bows slung over the shoulder. But this seems too dangerous of a way to transport a valuable instrument. On closer inspection... Are some quivers and others bow cases?

wolviex · 17th January 2007, 10:19 PM

Yes, of course there are bow cases:

wolviex · 17th January 2007, 10:21 PM

thought some people decided to choose other way of transporting bows

Here is a picture of azab - Turkish infantryman, picture by Nicolas de Nicolay from 1551 y.

CharlesS · 18th January 2007, 04:01 PM

Lovely pieces all around, but be wary of copying too much form the lovely portrait of the Guard by Deutsch. While it's a magnifcent piece, especially for us weapon lovers, it is admittedly 'fantasicized', with Deutsch overloading the subject with far more pieces than normal. He does this in several of his works as does Gerome. They both had magnificent weapons collections after travelling thru the Middle East and N. Africa, and this overload was a way of showing off the pieces they loved in their art. The poor guy would have done well to stand up, much less move with the load he is carrying!!

17th January 2007, 12:05 PM	#2
wolviex Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Poland, Krakow Posts: 418	Hello! Below you'll find just a few pictures from books I had just at the hand. You should get few book like: War and Peace. Ottoman-Polish Relations in the 15th-19th c. - great catalogue from exhibition in Istanbul and Warsaw 1999 vastly illustrated (in Polish version 'Wojna i Pokoj' from time to time available on ebay) B&W picture is from the book by Zdzislaw Zygulski, Ottoman art in the service of the Empire, NY 1992 -there is a small chapter on arms too, but it isn't necessary. I believe you already have Turkish Archery and the composite bow by Paul E. Klopsteg (1947) devoted just to this subject. regards! Attached Images

17th January 2007, 10:19 PM	#5
wolviex Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Poland, Krakow Posts: 418	Bow cases Yes, of course there are bow cases: Attached Images

17th January 2007, 10:21 PM	#6
wolviex Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Poland, Krakow Posts: 418	thought some people decided to choose other way of transporting bows Here is a picture of azab - Turkish infantryman, picture by Nicolas de Nicolay from 1551 y. Attached Images

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16th January 2007, 03:21 PM	#1
Tane Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 7	Thank you very much for your help!

17th January 2007, 04:38 PM	#3
Tane Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 7	Really beautiful!!! Thanks a lot!

17th January 2007, 09:52 PM	#4
nKante Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Philly Posts: 72	Could some of those quivers also carry the bow? The curving shapes suggest the potential. But in all the illustrations I've seen, the bow is in use. I have seen a few drawings that showed the archers with the bows slung over the shoulder. But this seems too dangerous of a way to transport a valuable instrument. On closer inspection... Are some quivers and others bow cases?

18th January 2007, 04:01 PM	#7
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,854	Lovely pieces all around, but be wary of copying too much form the lovely portrait of the Guard by Deutsch. While it's a magnifcent piece, especially for us weapon lovers, it is admittedly 'fantasicized', with Deutsch overloading the subject with far more pieces than normal. He does this in several of his works as does Gerome. They both had magnificent weapons collections after travelling thru the Middle East and N. Africa, and this overload was a way of showing off the pieces they loved in their art. The poor guy would have done well to stand up, much less move with the load he is carrying!!