Identification of an indonesian dagger

asomotif · 29th December 2006, 12:14 PM

Hello,

I have an indonesian spear with this triangular shape point.
Looks a lot like this knife, but longer and of course not with a square tang, but a round one.
I will post some pictures once I have made them.

As for this dagger, the markings and square tang are not very javanese or ethnic. But the forging looks very ethnic.
Nice dagger anyway regardless the history.

Best wishes for 2007

Willem

Tim Simmons · 30th December 2006, 09:30 AM

looking at this thread again has made me examine this dagger more closely. Okay it is African, but many of the Mahdist weapons were modeled on Persian forms. When I first post a picture of this a member said they had a Persian example. I wonder if these all relate to common origin? Looking at the blade there is a round bar tang forged from the forte as in the drawing. I am now of the opinion that this is not a converted bayonet. I do not think the guard is important in relation to the blade. To me there seems clear links in form and decorative methods that are more than coincidental. Any opinions?

asomotif · 2nd January 2007, 04:17 PM

Dear All,

Here are the pictures of the spear I have.
Open for comments.

Alam Shah · 2nd January 2007, 10:21 PM

Asomotif,

Your tombak does looks like a sangkuh, with a well-defined metuk.
The spear mounting looks proper, from my untrained eyes.

asomotif · 3rd January 2007, 08:31 AM

Thank you for the information.
The spearmounting is indeed firm and must be the original one.
Best regards,
Willem

30th December 2006, 09:30 AM	#2
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,843	Not a bayonet looking at this thread again has made me examine this dagger more closely. Okay it is African, but many of the Mahdist weapons were modeled on Persian forms. When I first post a picture of this a member said they had a Persian example. I wonder if these all relate to common origin? Looking at the blade there is a round bar tang forged from the forte as in the drawing. I am now of the opinion that this is not a converted bayonet. I do not think the guard is important in relation to the blade. To me there seems clear links in form and decorative methods that are more than coincidental. Any opinions? Attached Images

2nd January 2007, 04:17 PM	#3
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,228	Dear All, Here are the pictures of the spear I have. Open for comments. Attached Images

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29th December 2006, 12:14 PM	#1
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,228	Hello, I have an indonesian spear with this triangular shape point. Looks a lot like this knife, but longer and of course not with a square tang, but a round one. I will post some pictures once I have made them. As for this dagger, the markings and square tang are not very javanese or ethnic. But the forging looks very ethnic. Nice dagger anyway regardless the history. Best wishes for 2007 Willem

2nd January 2007, 10:21 PM	#4
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	Asomotif, Your tombak does looks like a sangkuh, with a well-defined metuk. The spear mounting looks proper, from my untrained eyes.

3rd January 2007, 08:31 AM	#5
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,228	Thank you for the information. The spearmounting is indeed firm and must be the original one. Best regards, Willem