Czerny's auction

VANDOO · 2nd December 2006, 10:47 PM

THERE WAS A TIME WHEN HONESTY AND REPUTATION WERE MORE IMPORTANT TO MANY PROFESSIONALS IN MANY TRADES. TODAY MANY DO NOT CONSIDER EITHER ONE IMPORTANT AND EITHER FAIL TO CHECK OUT DESCRIPTIONS OF ITEMS OR JUST MISREPRESENT THEM NOT CARING ABOUT REPUTATION OR RIGHT AND WRONG. POLITICIANS MAKE PROMISES THEY HAVE NO INTENTION OF KEEPING, CON MEN CON, AUTOMOBILE COMPANYS DESIGN A PRODUCT TO BREAK AND NEED CONSTANT REPAIR OR REPLACEMENT AND OVERPRICE PARTS AND SERVICES BECAUSE THEY NO LONGER CARE IF YOU BUY ANOTHER CAR FROM THEM OR NOT. COMPLACENCY, GREED AND LAZYNESS CONTINUE TO CHIP AWAY AT THE HIGHER GOALS OF MANKIND. OUCH! I JUST FELL OFF THE OL SOAP BOX

ariel · 2nd December 2006, 11:03 PM

OK, here is another one:
http://cgi.liveauctions.ebay.com/ws/...1,1#la-image-5
Looks totally legitimate. Rivkin, however, wrote me that the markings are very unusual: a mix of Armenian (old) and Georgian (modern) letters. (Thanks, Kirill!). They are not incised but acid etched, and I can't remember seeing this technique for the purpose on old Ottoman swords ( only on new ones, ie, when they got the Germans running their military).
And the Damascene pattern is very unusual: looks almost like Pamor.
What do you think?

Rivkin · 3rd December 2006, 04:19 AM

Sorry Ariel for not replying to your last messages...I was really screwed up this week. I do find a lot of items that Chery posts to be questionable. However, I can not deny that Cherny is one of a few places where I see highly unusual kindjals and not the same old boring 1860+ Kubachi/Tiflis.

However I can not say for sure that this sword is not some semi-fantasy 19th century item.

Philip · 3rd December 2006, 07:44 AM

That phrase can't be repeated often enough in this business.

Anybody who opens a catalog or goes to a site and thinks that just because a description is written by an "internationally renowned auction house" then it must be as true as the Gospels is asking to have his pocket picked. Here's where diligent study (hands-on whenever possible), and discussion venue such as this are invaluable.

3rd December 2006, 07:44 AM	#4
Philip Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: California Posts: 1,036	caveat emptor That phrase can't be repeated often enough in this business. Anybody who opens a catalog or goes to a site and thinks that just because a description is written by an "internationally renowned auction house" then it must be as true as the Gospels is asking to have his pocket picked. Here's where diligent study (hands-on whenever possible), and discussion venue such as this are invaluable.

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2nd December 2006, 10:47 PM	#1
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	THERE WAS A TIME WHEN HONESTY AND REPUTATION WERE MORE IMPORTANT TO MANY PROFESSIONALS IN MANY TRADES. TODAY MANY DO NOT CONSIDER EITHER ONE IMPORTANT AND EITHER FAIL TO CHECK OUT DESCRIPTIONS OF ITEMS OR JUST MISREPRESENT THEM NOT CARING ABOUT REPUTATION OR RIGHT AND WRONG. POLITICIANS MAKE PROMISES THEY HAVE NO INTENTION OF KEEPING, CON MEN CON, AUTOMOBILE COMPANYS DESIGN A PRODUCT TO BREAK AND NEED CONSTANT REPAIR OR REPLACEMENT AND OVERPRICE PARTS AND SERVICES BECAUSE THEY NO LONGER CARE IF YOU BUY ANOTHER CAR FROM THEM OR NOT. COMPLACENCY, GREED AND LAZYNESS CONTINUE TO CHIP AWAY AT THE HIGHER GOALS OF MANKIND. OUCH! I JUST FELL OFF THE OL SOAP BOX

2nd December 2006, 11:03 PM	#2
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	OK, here is another one: http://cgi.liveauctions.ebay.com/ws/...1,1#la-image-5 Looks totally legitimate. Rivkin, however, wrote me that the markings are very unusual: a mix of Armenian (old) and Georgian (modern) letters. (Thanks, Kirill!). They are not incised but acid etched, and I can't remember seeing this technique for the purpose on old Ottoman swords ( only on new ones, ie, when they got the Germans running their military). And the Damascene pattern is very unusual: looks almost like Pamor. What do you think?

3rd December 2006, 04:19 AM	#3
Rivkin Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 655	Sorry Ariel for not replying to your last messages...I was really screwed up this week. I do find a lot of items that Chery posts to be questionable. However, I can not deny that Cherny is one of a few places where I see highly unusual kindjals and not the same old boring 1860+ Kubachi/Tiflis. However I can not say for sure that this sword is not some semi-fantasy 19th century item.