Kirpans not allowed

ariel · 24th October 2006, 11:33 PM

I am not very sympathetic to the Sikh man: walking on the street, he will make an appearance of an armed person, an entity unheard of in Denmark. I do not think Danes have a duty to accomodate themselves to the religious expressions of a foreighner when these expressions clash severely with their national customs. After all, it is their country; it is the duty of the foreighner to decide whether he wants to settle in a country that bans his religious expressions.
I would not support the right of Shia Muslims to have an Ashura procession in downtown Ann Arbor, with knives, chains, blood and gore; or any kind of animal sacrifice or public human mutilation. People can have any religious beliefs they wish; they just cannot expect to have a right to exercise them openly everywhere. There is a freedom of belief, not freedom of action.
After all, Saudi Arabia does not allow consumption of alcohol even for sacramental purposes or public display of religious symbols, such as crucifix.
Sword collection has nothing to do with it: nobody displays his swords in the open on the Main Street.

Rick · 24th October 2006, 11:55 PM

I guess I would have to wonder if this were a crewman off a Danish trawler who had just got in from a trip and was wearing his sheath knife at his back in a dockside bar.
Has that scenario vanished from life in Denmark ?

Jens Nordlunde · 25th October 2006, 08:59 AM

The reason why they are getting more and more restrictions in Denmark, when it comes to knives is that there have, in the last few years, been more and more fights, stabbings and killings where knives were involved.

The reason why I started this thread was to warn anyone travelling to Denmark to be careful what you bring with you, and also if you sell to a Danish collector, to make sure he will get whatever he has bought from you – check with collector, he should know and ask him to check with the custom office.

Rather · 25th October 2006, 11:07 AM

Also in Germany the law is very strict, not only in view of guns, but since a few years also regarding knives. You may not carry a knife with a blade longer than approx. 4 inches.
Stilettos, shuriken and brass knuckles are illegal and your may not even own them (not to think about carrying them) The fine: up to 3 years prison.
Still we Germans consider ourselves as free people…

Nevertheless, fact is that there are more and more injuries caused by knifes, especially young hooligans create this problem, but 60% of the injuries are caused with normal household knifes and the above described restrictions are somehow rather a kind of propaganda.

Tim Simmons · 25th October 2006, 12:39 PM

I tend to agree with Ariel. It really is time somebody printed t-shirts with, Respect for the secular world.

Andrew · 25th October 2006, 01:34 PM

Gentlemen, let's please stay on-topic and not alow this discussion to become about religion.

Thanks.

Jens Nordlunde · 25th October 2006, 07:37 PM

I am sorry. My intention on bring this subject up was not to point it in a religious direction. I therefore hope that the posts here will stop, or that the moderators will lock the mail.

24th October 2006, 11:33 PM	#1
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	I am not very sympathetic to the Sikh man: walking on the street, he will make an appearance of an armed person, an entity unheard of in Denmark. I do not think Danes have a duty to accomodate themselves to the religious expressions of a foreighner when these expressions clash severely with their national customs. After all, it is their country; it is the duty of the foreighner to decide whether he wants to settle in a country that bans his religious expressions. I would not support the right of Shia Muslims to have an Ashura procession in downtown Ann Arbor, with knives, chains, blood and gore; or any kind of animal sacrifice or public human mutilation. People can have any religious beliefs they wish; they just cannot expect to have a right to exercise them openly everywhere. There is a freedom of belief, not freedom of action. After all, Saudi Arabia does not allow consumption of alcohol even for sacramental purposes or public display of religious symbols, such as crucifix. Sword collection has nothing to do with it: nobody displays his swords in the open on the Main Street. Last edited by ariel; 25th October 2006 at 02:03 AM.

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24th October 2006, 11:55 PM	#2
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	I guess I would have to wonder if this were a crewman off a Danish trawler who had just got in from a trip and was wearing his sheath knife at his back in a dockside bar. Has that scenario vanished from life in Denmark ?

25th October 2006, 08:59 AM	#3
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	The reason why they are getting more and more restrictions in Denmark, when it comes to knives is that there have, in the last few years, been more and more fights, stabbings and killings where knives were involved. The reason why I started this thread was to warn anyone travelling to Denmark to be careful what you bring with you, and also if you sell to a Danish collector, to make sure he will get whatever he has bought from you – check with collector, he should know and ask him to check with the custom office.

25th October 2006, 11:07 AM	#4
Rather Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Hamburg, Germany Posts: 72	Also in Germany the law is very strict, not only in view of guns, but since a few years also regarding knives. You may not carry a knife with a blade longer than approx. 4 inches. Stilettos, shuriken and brass knuckles are illegal and your may not even own them (not to think about carrying them) The fine: up to 3 years prison. Still we Germans consider ourselves as free people… Nevertheless, fact is that there are more and more injuries caused by knifes, especially young hooligans create this problem, but 60% of the injuries are caused with normal household knifes and the above described restrictions are somehow rather a kind of propaganda.

25th October 2006, 12:39 PM	#5
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,844	I tend to agree with Ariel. It really is time somebody printed t-shirts with, Respect for the secular world.

25th October 2006, 01:34 PM	#6
Andrew Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: USA Posts: 1,725	Gentlemen, let's please stay on-topic and not alow this discussion to become about religion. Thanks.

25th October 2006, 07:37 PM	#7
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	I am sorry. My intention on bring this subject up was not to point it in a religious direction. I therefore hope that the posts here will stop, or that the moderators will lock the mail.