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S.Al-Anizi True Combat Value of Wootz 17th October 2006, 11:26 PM

Rivkin I can give my personal "take"... 18th October 2006, 12:26 AM

joshualayne Is it possible that the tests... 18th October 2006, 01:22 AM

ariel My understanding is that the... 18th October 2006, 01:49 AM

Jeff Pringle Another 2 cents - Wootz is... 18th October 2006, 02:27 AM

Andrew I'd like to hear Ann's take... 18th October 2006, 02:54 AM

Chris Evans Hi, I was a bit reluctant... 18th October 2006, 05:16 AM

S.Al-Anizi Thanks all for the... 18th October 2006, 11:07 AM

Gt Obach wootz was a very good steel... 18th October 2006, 01:18 PM

ariel [QUOTE=S.Al-Anizi]Ariel- My... 18th October 2006, 01:34 PM

S.Al-Anizi [QUOTE=ariel] Some say... 18th October 2006, 01:53 PM

Gt Obach Hi yes.. wootz is a funny... 18th October 2006, 02:18 PM

Ann Feuerbach I'm back... If my grant goes... 18th October 2006, 03:49 PM

Andrew lol, Ann. :D You know I was... 18th October 2006, 05:14 PM

S.Al-Anizi Many, Many thanks Ann :) A... 18th October 2006, 06:18 PM

tsubame1 Hi Ann. I would like to... 18th October 2006, 06:57 PM

ariel Yes, I remember this story at... 18th October 2006, 07:05 PM

tsubame1 If harden = to make an hard... 18th October 2006, 07:20 PM

S.Al-Anizi Well thats what most people... 18th October 2006, 08:07 PM

katana An excellent informative... 18th October 2006, 11:35 PM

ariel Originally posted by tsubame... 18th October 2006, 11:37 PM

Lew Well gentlemen In battle a... 18th October 2006, 11:55 PM

Chris Evans Hi, Ann, many thanks for... 19th October 2006, 08:07 AM

Ann Feuerbach Thanks all for such an... 19th October 2006, 02:31 PM

Gt Obach Hi there are some good... 19th October 2006, 03:19 PM

ariel Ann, Even after a single... 19th October 2006, 05:04 PM

ariel I agree with Greg: of... 19th October 2006, 05:07 PM

Gt Obach i believe its more a matter... 19th October 2006, 06:41 PM

Tim Simmons Ariel, have you practised any... 19th October 2006, 06:43 PM

ariel I see your point: even as... 19th October 2006, 08:47 PM

ariel Originally posted by tsubame... 19th October 2006, 08:55 PM

tsubame1 Oh, c'mon Ariel, don't get so... 19th October 2006, 09:02 PM

Rivkin Gentlemen, Please, let us... 19th October 2006, 11:09 PM

ariel I am not being defensive, and... 20th October 2006, 03:53 AM

tsubame1 The people that gave him the... 20th October 2006, 07:30 AM

S.Al-Anizi I totally agree. 19th October 2006, 07:01 PM

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Tim Simmons If this spear was not African... 19th October 2006, 07:06 PM

ariel I'll take the Beduin sword,... 19th October 2006, 08:28 PM

tsubame1 Here I totally disagree. You... 19th October 2006, 08:32 PM

Chris Evans 1. Ariel, I think that... 20th October 2006, 05:53 AM

frequent greetings... well i dont... 20th October 2006, 07:37 AM

Ian Moderator's note 20th October 2006, 12:54 PM

Ann Feuerbach As many of you have pointed... 20th October 2006, 01:44 PM

ariel Very clever point about sword... 20th October 2006, 03:21 PM

tsubame1 What about fireguns barrels... 20th October 2006, 05:46 PM

ariel I do not have enough... 20th October 2006, 05:55 PM

tsubame1 Hi Ariel. I wasn't... 20th October 2006, 06:10 PM

Chris Evans Hi Ann, Where did you... 21st October 2006, 09:54 AM

ariel Chris, I agree with you... 20th October 2006, 02:00 PM

Andrew Interesting point, Ariel. I... 20th October 2006, 02:42 PM

Ann Feuerbach We should also remember that... 20th October 2006, 03:26 PM

Ann Feuerbach FYI, alloy steels were the... 20th October 2006, 03:35 PM

S.Al-Anizi Not necessarily Ann, in... 20th October 2006, 06:27 PM

S.Al-Anizi I can only talk on behalf the... 20th October 2006, 06:22 PM

Lee My own experience with the... 20th October 2006, 08:21 PM

Tim Simmons I have to agree with Lee. ... 20th October 2006, 08:33 PM

ariel Sir Richard was an... 20th October 2006, 09:05 PM

Jeff Pringle I don't know, some of those... 20th October 2006, 03:19 PM

S.Al-Anizi Very good points Ariel, I can... 20th October 2006, 06:07 PM

Chris Evans Hi Ariel, You pose a... 21st October 2006, 05:56 AM

Rivkin First of all I completely... 21st October 2006, 06:23 AM

Chris Evans Hi Rivkin, I am not... 21st October 2006, 08:02 AM

S.Al-Anizi Rivkin, may I ask, whats a... 21st October 2006, 11:44 AM

tsubame1 Hi Chris. You're right about... 21st October 2006, 11:17 AM

Chris Evans Hi tsubame1, The merits or... 21st October 2006, 01:29 PM

Rivkin 1. Modern vs. ancient... 21st October 2006, 03:25 PM

tsubame1 Tachi isn't a two-handed... 21st October 2006, 03:38 PM

ariel If I understand correctly, we... 21st October 2006, 08:42 PM

tsubame1 Not a bad conclusion Ariel,... 21st October 2006, 09:13 PM

Tim Simmons Well you cannot make a silk... 21st October 2006, 09:26 PM

Chris Evans In all the serious literature... 22nd October 2006, 06:02 AM

S.Al-Anizi Guys, please open up another... 22nd October 2006, 11:44 AM

tsubame1 You're right Carter. Sorry... 22nd October 2006, 12:34 PM

Ann Feuerbach From S. AL-Anizi: Not... 22nd October 2006, 03:33 PM

S.Al-Anizi . As in the Ummayad... 22nd October 2006, 04:32 PM

Chris Evans S.Al-Anizi, I was muzing... 23rd October 2006, 01:59 AM

Rivkin Ladies and Gentlemen, 1.... 23rd October 2006, 06:21 AM

Chris Evans Rivkin, You are a... 23rd October 2006, 07:30 AM

tsubame1 This thread really grows,... 23rd October 2006, 01:00 PM

Rivkin Chis: Thank you for your... 23rd October 2006, 09:23 PM

Andrew If Ann doesn't have a problem... 25th October 2006, 07:02 PM

ariel I do not have a problem how... 25th October 2006, 07:25 PM

Andrew This thread is not about the... 25th October 2006, 07:33 PM

ariel Ann, I am intrigued: In... 24th October 2006, 12:07 AM

Ann Feuerbach Well spotted. It is all... 24th October 2006, 02:30 PM

Ann Feuerbach Oh, that you as well for the... 24th October 2006, 02:41 PM

Rivkin Interesting ! I thought... 24th October 2006, 04:17 PM

ariel That is not how it was... 25th October 2006, 02:14 AM

Rick I thought you had a copy of... 25th October 2006, 02:59 AM

ariel Yes, I do. That's where I got... 25th October 2006, 03:55 AM

Jeff D "Feuerbach (2002b:229)... 25th October 2006, 04:39 AM

Ann Feuerbach It may have been more... 25th October 2006, 12:05 PM

Chris Evans I always suspected that... 25th October 2006, 12:19 PM

Gt Obach Hi Chris that is basically... 25th October 2006, 01:22 PM

katana I have followed this thread... 25th October 2006, 02:27 PM

Chris Evans Hi katana, You know, I... 26th October 2006, 03:06 AM

ariel I am not sure you are right.... 26th October 2006, 04:40 AM

Ann Feuerbach If, and I do mean IF, the... 26th October 2006, 03:01 PM

Andrew Thank you, very much, for the... 26th October 2006, 11:23 PM

ariel Going back to the combat... 27th October 2006, 01:40 AM

S.Al-Anizi And then he was defeated :D ... 27th October 2006, 07:02 PM

Chris Evans Hi Ariel, I am one who... 27th October 2006, 02:04 AM

ariel No doubt, a combination of... 27th October 2006, 02:19 AM

Chris Evans And I bet that it is worth... 27th October 2006, 02:37 AM

ariel Na-a-ah... I am sure no true... 27th October 2006, 02:54 AM

Lee Bladesmith Dan Maragni told... 27th October 2006, 03:33 AM

Chris Evans Hi Lee, Possibly, but... 27th October 2006, 04:06 AM

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tsubame1 Naginata is for sure a... 27th October 2006, 03:36 PM

ariel So, going back to the combat... 27th October 2006, 03:54 PM

tsubame1 Does he provides the geometry... 27th October 2006, 03:56 PM

Rivkin Muhammad Mansur Mubarak-Shah... 27th October 2006, 05:54 PM

tsubame1 This is obviously a legend.... 27th October 2006, 07:46 PM

Lee The old Norse had their... 27th October 2006, 08:43 PM

Chris Evans Folks, When attempting to... 28th October 2006, 10:27 AM

tsubame1 So true that the japaneses... 28th October 2006, 11:07 AM

Chris Evans Hi Carlo, Absolutely... 28th October 2006, 11:34 AM

Chris Evans Hi Carlo and Folks, Sorry... 28th October 2006, 11:42 AM

tsubame1 It's hard to me to give edge... 28th October 2006, 01:37 PM

ariel The "viscosity" of the... 28th October 2006, 03:52 PM

Jeff Pringle Yes, it would just mean you... 28th October 2006, 04:21 PM

Gt Obach also...... chain was usually... 28th October 2006, 05:11 PM

Gt Obach actually... if you do a... 28th October 2006, 06:16 PM

Chris Evans ariel, I ask if you would... 29th October 2006, 02:06 AM

ariel So, Chris and Greg, as the... 29th October 2006, 02:25 AM

Chris Evans ariel, Like I said at... 29th October 2006, 04:15 AM

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tsubame1 I agree, because these... 29th October 2006, 11:49 AM

Jeff Pringle Now that's a great idea, and... 29th October 2006, 02:32 PM

tsubame1 By FAAAR a better idea than... 29th October 2006, 07:53 PM

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ariel Provided we can be certain... 29th October 2006, 08:24 PM

tsubame1 mmm.. Are the dimensions of... 29th October 2006, 08:28 PM

Gt Obach Hi yes wootz has some odd... 29th October 2006, 10:15 PM

ariel Greg, This is remarkable!... 30th October 2006, 05:34 AM

Gt Obach thanks i should mention... 30th October 2006, 01:42 PM

Rivkin I have no problem with wootz... 2nd November 2006, 02:54 AM

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RSWORD As this interesting... 2nd November 2006, 12:53 PM

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Jeff D Sweet Rick! I will second... 2nd November 2006, 04:49 PM

Chris Evans Hi Folks, I think that we... 16th November 2006, 12:47 AM

Rivkin Well, my personal impression... 17th November 2006, 08:47 PM

Chris Evans Rivkin, Where did you see... 18th November 2006, 07:20 AM

Rivkin I can send the pdf file of... 18th November 2006, 03:49 PM

Chris Evans Hi Rivkin, Sent you an... 20th November 2006, 12:12 AM

Ian There are many gaps between... 18th November 2006, 03:54 PM

Chris Evans Hi Ian, I learned and... 20th November 2006, 12:35 AM

Ann Feuerbach Hi all, Just got back from a... 20th November 2006, 03:41 PM

Andrew Hi Ann. Welcome back. :) ... 20th November 2006, 04:16 PM

Ian Thanks Ann. Hope the... 20th November 2006, 04:30 PM

Ann Feuerbach Hi all, Bulat is good, but... 20th November 2006, 05:05 PM

Rivkin I think what we have here is... 20th November 2006, 06:57 PM

Chris Evans Hi Folks, Rivkin very... 21st November 2006, 07:53 AM

tsubame1 This gives me the possibility... 21st November 2006, 08:37 PM

Gt Obach I'd completely agree with... 21st November 2006, 11:30 PM

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tsubame1 Exactly Greg. Michael... 22nd November 2006, 12:06 AM

Chris Evans Hi Folks, 1. What... 22nd November 2006, 04:57 AM

Chris Evans Hi, Here is something that... 22nd November 2006, 05:48 AM

Ann Feuerbach Here is my two cents, extract... 22nd November 2006, 01:35 PM

tsubame1 You're right Dr. Ann. This... 22nd November 2006, 06:14 PM

Chris Evans GT Obach and Ann, I have... 23rd November 2006, 01:52 PM

Ann Feuerbach FYI, Personally, I have not... 23rd November 2006, 03:22 PM

Rivkin 1. I could not agree more... 23rd November 2006, 05:04 PM

Ann Feuerbach FYI, I have held the blade... 23rd November 2006, 05:35 PM

Rivkin The patterns - no problems.... 23rd November 2006, 05:47 PM

tsubame1 Hi Dr. Feuerbach. NihonTo... 23rd November 2006, 05:48 PM

Gt Obach Hi retained austenite is... 23rd November 2006, 07:50 PM

tsubame1 Martensite 23rd November 2006, 11:00 PM

Chris Evans GT Obach, Thanks for that... 24th November 2006, 12:35 AM

Gt Obach Hi Chris you got it -- we... 24th November 2006, 01:09 AM

Chris Evans Hi Greg, Many thanks for... 24th November 2006, 01:22 AM

Marc Just as a pointer... ... 24th November 2006, 11:35 AM

Chris Evans Hi Ann, Neither was I... 24th November 2006, 12:27 AM

Ann Feuerbach Sorry to be a pain, but where... 24th November 2006, 02:22 PM

Gt Obach Hi Metallographic... 24th November 2006, 04:41 PM

tsubame1 You're right. Sorbite is... 24th November 2006, 06:55 PM

Rivkin Very interesting. I thought... 24th November 2006, 10:34 PM

tsubame1 Usually graphite is found in... 24th November 2006, 11:50 PM

Chris Evans Hi Ann, First I must... 25th November 2006, 05:13 AM

Ann Feuerbach Thanks loads Chris for the... 25th November 2006, 02:07 PM

Gt Obach Hi Ann yes.. you are... 25th November 2006, 11:19 PM

Chris Evans Hi Folks, 1. I am... 26th November 2006, 03:58 AM

Ann Feuerbach Hi Chris, You are right. I... 26th November 2006, 05:04 PM

Emanuel Hello, This is a wonderful... 26th November 2006, 06:27 PM

tsubame1 Emanuel, have you realized... 26th November 2006, 09:06 PM

S.Al-Anizi Hi Manolo, this practice... 26th November 2006, 09:22 PM

Emanuel Carlo and Saqr, thanks for... 26th November 2006, 09:47 PM

Chris Evans Hi Manolo, Thank you... 27th November 2006, 02:47 AM

Gt Obach Hi oddly... i do have... 22nd November 2006, 02:16 PM

Ann Feuerbach From Greg: "actually what we... 22nd November 2006, 03:07 PM

Rivkin Chris Evans: thank you very,... 22nd November 2006, 04:52 PM

tsubame1 Chris, thanks for the link.... 22nd November 2006, 06:01 PM

ariel Carlo, All of us are... 29th October 2006, 03:08 PM

ariel BTW, here is an example of... 29th October 2006, 06:07 PM

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katana Hi Ariel, is this the area... 29th October 2006, 06:44 PM

S.Al-Anizi That seems like a fatigued... 29th October 2006, 06:46 PM

ariel That's the one. BTW, whose... 29th October 2006, 07:08 PM

Jeff D Looks like an old weld repair... 29th October 2006, 07:47 PM

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Chris Evans Gt Obach, You make very... 26th October 2006, 03:02 AM

Rivkin Well, my verbal IQ is rather... 25th October 2006, 04:53 PM

ariel Dear Ann, You must be a... 25th October 2006, 07:19 PM

S.Al-Anizi No no not at all Carlos, I... 22nd October 2006, 04:24 PM

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18th October 2006, 07:05 PM	#11
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	[QUOTE= As to Abby, that reminds me of a legend I read in Arab arms and armour, where this old warrior Abu Zaid, placed 2 camels ontop of each other, and cut them into four halves! [/QUOTE] Yes, I remember this story at Elgood's. Apparently, having wasted 2 camels, Abu Zaid gave the owner of the sword the remaining 6 beasts (officially belonging to his unkle...) in exchange and went home happily. Elgood's comment was very dry:" The reaction of Abu Zaid's unkle was not recorded".

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