Murut Swords

Bill M · 16th October 2006, 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dajak

Hi Bill the measure is from the brass collar to the end off the handle

The style off the old pakayuns is with long brass collar so are they pictured
in stone's Glossary and on old pics

Never see them with the long wooden handle so that is why this is in mine opinion this is not so old as the other ones with long brass collars

But not easy to date yours Bill scabbard is also without carving so later date
but blade does look like the old ones

But if you ever visit me it is easyer to explain for me

Ben,

Ah, now I understand. The length of the brass collar! Now I see a big difference in mine and the others.

While I am happy to know more, I am a bit concerned that mine is not a good example as I thought it was.

Please understand that I am grateful that you pointed it out. I need to know.

I probably won't sell mine because I like the blade. I also like the wear patina on the handle.

But I am in the market for a correct one, an old correct one would be even better. I will PM you about this.

I am curious about the two points on the end of the handle that look different than most of yours. Is this also someting I should watch out for?

VANDOO · 17th October 2006, 06:03 AM

A VERY IMPRESSIVE COLLECTION AND ITS DIFFICULT TO EVEN HAVE ONE PACKAYUN IN YOUR COLLECTION SO CONGRADULATIONS TO ALL!!

I NOTICED THAT TWO OF BENS EXAMPLES AND MICHAEL'S EXAMPLE HAVE THE SMALL SHARP POINT WHERE THE BLADE NEARS THE HANDLE AND THE FORTE IS THINNER WHERE IT GOES INTO THE HANDLE TO FORM THE TANG. THIS FEATURE REMINDS ME OF THE BATACK PISO FORMS OF KNIVES. ALSO THE TIP ON ONE OF BEN'S EXAMPLES AND MICHAEL'S EXAMPLE DON'T HAVE THE CLIPPED POINTS LIKE THE OTHER EXAMPLES. I ASSUME THE BATACK WERE TRADING IN THE AREA IF NOT RELATED TO THE MURUT SO POSSIBLY THEY BROUGHT IN SOME TRADE BLADES

THERE ARE MANY VARIATIONS IN MOST WEAPONS EVEN IF THERE ARE NOT ANY OUTSIDE INFLUENCES. SO THAT PART OF THE WORLD IS EVEN MORE VARIED DUE TO ALL THE INTERACTION OF MANY DIFFERENT CULTURES OVER A VERY LONG TIME.
I LIKE IT A LOT

IT JUST WOULDN'T BE AS MUCH FUN IF EVERYTHING ETHINOGRAPHIC WAS JUST ALIKE.

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17th October 2006, 06:03 AM	#2
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	A VERY IMPRESSIVE COLLECTION AND ITS DIFFICULT TO EVEN HAVE ONE PACKAYUN IN YOUR COLLECTION SO CONGRADULATIONS TO ALL!! I NOTICED THAT TWO OF BENS EXAMPLES AND MICHAEL'S EXAMPLE HAVE THE SMALL SHARP POINT WHERE THE BLADE NEARS THE HANDLE AND THE FORTE IS THINNER WHERE IT GOES INTO THE HANDLE TO FORM THE TANG. THIS FEATURE REMINDS ME OF THE BATACK PISO FORMS OF KNIVES. ALSO THE TIP ON ONE OF BEN'S EXAMPLES AND MICHAEL'S EXAMPLE DON'T HAVE THE CLIPPED POINTS LIKE THE OTHER EXAMPLES. I ASSUME THE BATACK WERE TRADING IN THE AREA IF NOT RELATED TO THE MURUT SO POSSIBLY THEY BROUGHT IN SOME TRADE BLADES THERE ARE MANY VARIATIONS IN MOST WEAPONS EVEN IF THERE ARE NOT ANY OUTSIDE INFLUENCES. SO THAT PART OF THE WORLD IS EVEN MORE VARIED DUE TO ALL THE INTERACTION OF MANY DIFFERENT CULTURES OVER A VERY LONG TIME. I LIKE IT A LOT IT JUST WOULDN'T BE AS MUCH FUN IF EVERYTHING ETHINOGRAPHIC WAS JUST ALIKE.