Dagger ID, MN Garage Sale find

Jim McDougall · 6th September 2006, 01:52 AM

Hi Andrew,
That seems to fall into place well as a great deal of modern examples of such classical weapons seem to derive from northwestern regions of India, particularly Rajasthan. While this motif is of course extremely simple, it seems distinctive in its application on items from regions described.
All best regards,
Jim

Ferguson · 6th September 2006, 04:13 PM

Tibet? Bhutan?

Just a wild guess.

Steve

ward · 6th September 2006, 05:54 PM

mid late 20 century tibetan

derek · 8th September 2006, 05:04 AM

A tibetan Khampa knife. I've had several pass through my hands over the years.....

derek · 8th September 2006, 05:05 AM

That leather bit on the sheath will sometimes be ray skin on the smaller ones.

Mark · 8th September 2006, 10:38 PM

And because the world revolves around dha, I offer this interesting comparison, which was picked up in Yunnan Province, So. China:

The scabbard is not typical of a dha, which usually transition to a flat tip, but it is a style that seems associated with the Tai of Yunnan Province. Maybe they got it from further West?

ausjulius · 9th September 2006, 03:23 PM

it is a boan or bonan traditional knife,, although this one may be a chinese copy,,,,,,,,, bonan are , i think the smallest group in china,, anyway most chinese who know of them know mostly only they have good knives,,

a guy on the british blades forum,, had a good collection of older ones ,,
http://www.britishblades.com/forums/...ight=mongolian

id say this is a chinese copy,,
the bonan are moslem people living somewhere just north east of tibet,, the speek a mongol language but ar emore as the setteled locals in the area,,

normaly their knives are of a rather high quality, and ushaly they have good laminated blades,,

the main difference to these and the other mongolian form and the tibetians knives it the different form of hanger and the bronze sheaths,,

the chinese have copied these , and mongolian and tibetian knives and massproduced them over the last 200 years or so,, many of the knives the mongols and tibetians used were chinese made, as the chinese could make it cheaper,, and with interesting materials , like ray skin,, which ,, isnt vary common , in say tuva,, or mongolia,,
the native ones generaly have better steel blades,, and the chinese ones come with things like chopsticks , pickel forks,and chinese decorations on them , chinese seem to have been oblivious to the natives taste,,

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6th September 2006, 01:52 AM	#1
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,616	Hi Andrew, That seems to fall into place well as a great deal of modern examples of such classical weapons seem to derive from northwestern regions of India, particularly Rajasthan. While this motif is of course extremely simple, it seems distinctive in its application on items from regions described. All best regards, Jim

6th September 2006, 04:13 PM	#2
Ferguson Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kernersville, NC, USA Posts: 793	Tibet? Bhutan? Just a wild guess. Steve

6th September 2006, 05:54 PM	#3
ward Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 637	mid late 20 century tibetan

8th September 2006, 05:04 AM	#4
derek Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 215	A tibetan Khampa knife. I've had several pass through my hands over the years.....

8th September 2006, 05:05 AM	#5
derek Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 215	That leather bit on the sheath will sometimes be ray skin on the smaller ones.

8th September 2006, 10:38 PM	#6
Mark Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 987	And because the world revolves around dha, I offer this interesting comparison, which was picked up in Yunnan Province, So. China: The scabbard is not typical of a dha, which usually transition to a flat tip, but it is a style that seems associated with the Tai of Yunnan Province. Maybe they got it from further West?

9th September 2006, 03:23 PM	#7
ausjulius Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: musorian territory Posts: 464	it is a boan or bonan traditional knife,, although this one may be a chinese copy,,,,,,,,, bonan are , i think the smallest group in china,, anyway most chinese who know of them know mostly only they have good knives,, a guy on the british blades forum,, had a good collection of older ones ,, http://www.britishblades.com/forums/...ight=mongolian id say this is a chinese copy,, the bonan are moslem people living somewhere just north east of tibet,, the speek a mongol language but ar emore as the setteled locals in the area,, normaly their knives are of a rather high quality, and ushaly they have good laminated blades,, the main difference to these and the other mongolian form and the tibetians knives it the different form of hanger and the bronze sheaths,, the chinese have copied these , and mongolian and tibetian knives and massproduced them over the last 200 years or so,, many of the knives the mongols and tibetians used were chinese made, as the chinese could make it cheaper,, and with interesting materials , like ray skin,, which ,, isnt vary common , in say tuva,, or mongolia,, the native ones generaly have better steel blades,, and the chinese ones come with things like chopsticks , pickel forks,and chinese decorations on them , chinese seem to have been oblivious to the natives taste,,