what kind of lance is this?

fernando · 4th September 2006, 07:16 PM

Thank you all, for your postings. This will surely influence my decision on buying it, but again the price wanted is quite a disadvantage.
I would still say, Henk, that the blade aspect is rather regular, the steel looks to tight, although looking real. Apart from the few signs of lamination (?) i could figure, it seemed quite distant from having/achieving Tim's piece pamor ( if i catch the term ). Maybe it hasn't been etched in the origin ( if this makes sense ). Maybe not such an old piece, due to that, in my ignorant view.
But i will refrain from bothering you with further questions, consequent to the coments you kindly gave here, as this may not become an actual acquisition.
Nice piece Tim, is your haft in wood? and tapering towards the butt? is that a butt ferule?
Thanks all again, for being so much cooperative.
Tim, i will send you a PM, if you don't mind.
fernando

Tim Simmons · 4th September 2006, 07:49 PM

Hi Fernando,

The haft is tapering heavy wood, it looks very much in the same form as the one you show. Mine has a small horn pommel on the end. I have seen some where the end is just rounded off. I do not see any problem with the one you show. My views come with a caution in that I do not really know much about these things.

fernando · 4th September 2006, 08:12 PM

Hi Tim
Because the pictures i have shown are not clear, you can't see the haft in this one is rattan cane.
fernando

Tim Simmons · 4th September 2006, 08:16 PM

Well meybe it is not as posh but still a very nice spear/lance.

fernando · 6th January 2007, 08:11 PM

I ended up buying this piece.
Did a bit clean up on the blade. Actual length 10" ( 25 cms. ).Width 3/4" ( 2cms. )
Quite sharp edges ( even cut myself ). Very well designed, quite strong, with a perfect tip.
The collar mountig is actually very crude, doesn't fit into the haft with the propper harmony. I wonder if it is the genuine set.
The rattan haft is a bit bent, with three rather deep pronounced sections, with an abruptly cut off end.
Now that pictures are more clear and the blade is clean, i wonder if the opinnion given on its origin ( Borneo or Sumatra ) would
remain the same, or if something different is revealed.
Please gentlemen, your coments will be wellcome.
Thanks in advance
fernando

Rick · 6th January 2007, 08:27 PM

From the looks of the butt , this piece IMO has been cut; I was expecting to see a cap or finial for the end.
Is there any wear on the end?

As far as the rest of it goes; it looks to be what it is .

I wouldn't want to try to pin down exactly where in the Archipelago this originated.
Good job on the blade.

fernando · 6th January 2007, 08:53 PM

Thank you Rick.
Yes, you are quite right ... and i was blind. It has all signs of having been sawed off, and not so long ago.
By the way, could this be an old piece ?

4th September 2006, 08:16 PM	#4
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,854	Well meybe it is not as posh but still a very nice spear/lance. Last edited by Tim Simmons; 4th September 2006 at 08:31 PM. Reason: spelling!!

6th January 2007, 08:11 PM	#5
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Clear pictures I ended up buying this piece. Did a bit clean up on the blade. Actual length 10" ( 25 cms. ).Width 3/4" ( 2cms. ) Quite sharp edges ( even cut myself ). Very well designed, quite strong, with a perfect tip. The collar mountig is actually very crude, doesn't fit into the haft with the propper harmony. I wonder if it is the genuine set. The rattan haft is a bit bent, with three rather deep pronounced sections, with an abruptly cut off end. Now that pictures are more clear and the blade is clean, i wonder if the opinnion given on its origin ( Borneo or Sumatra ) would remain the same, or if something different is revealed. Please gentlemen, your coments will be wellcome. Thanks in advance fernando Attached Images Last edited by fernando; 6th January 2007 at 08:39 PM.

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4th September 2006, 07:16 PM	#1
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Thank you all, for your postings. This will surely influence my decision on buying it, but again the price wanted is quite a disadvantage. I would still say, Henk, that the blade aspect is rather regular, the steel looks to tight, although looking real. Apart from the few signs of lamination (?) i could figure, it seemed quite distant from having/achieving Tim's piece pamor ( if i catch the term ). Maybe it hasn't been etched in the origin ( if this makes sense ). Maybe not such an old piece, due to that, in my ignorant view. But i will refrain from bothering you with further questions, consequent to the coments you kindly gave here, as this may not become an actual acquisition. Nice piece Tim, is your haft in wood? and tapering towards the butt? is that a butt ferule? Thanks all again, for being so much cooperative. Tim, i will send you a PM, if you don't mind. fernando

4th September 2006, 07:49 PM	#2
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,854	Hi Fernando, The haft is tapering heavy wood, it looks very much in the same form as the one you show. Mine has a small horn pommel on the end. I have seen some where the end is just rounded off. I do not see any problem with the one you show. My views come with a caution in that I do not really know much about these things.

4th September 2006, 08:12 PM	#3
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Hi Tim Because the pictures i have shown are not clear, you can't see the haft in this one is rattan cane. fernando

6th January 2007, 08:27 PM	#6
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,339	From the looks of the butt , this piece IMO has been cut; I was expecting to see a cap or finial for the end. Is there any wear on the end? As far as the rest of it goes; it looks to be what it is . I wouldn't want to try to pin down exactly where in the Archipelago this originated. Good job on the blade.

6th January 2007, 08:53 PM	#7
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Thank you Rick. Yes, you are quite right ... and i was blind. It has all signs of having been sawed off, and not so long ago. By the way, could this be an old piece ?