Nice Sumatran Keris For Comment

David · 4th September 2006, 06:38 PM

Thanks Kai Wee, for this thorough presentation on these difficult questions. The subtly of form changes as Bugis blades migrate from one area to another is a tough one to follow. The same goes for the form of dress. I am sure i will still be confused, but your input has been a great help.

A. G. Maisey · 4th September 2006, 11:48 PM

Thank you BluErf for your response to my question.

I will examine your submission in detail at my earliest opportunity, and ---hopefully---comment further.

rahman · 5th September 2006, 10:20 AM

I may be wrong, but one defining characteristic of a Straits Bugis or Malay blade vis-a-vis Sulawesi blade is the presence of a 'pinggang' (waist) on the blade. Malay blades tend to have this feature and gives the overall blade a refined flow. In contrast, the Sulawesi blades tend to be more broad and stocky. Just my 2 bits worth.

For the ringing, I think that's the mark of a tempered blade. I call it singing and I luv keris that sing! My 2 bits worth again

BluErf · 5th September 2006, 10:51 AM

Rahman Sir, haven't heard from you for a long time!

I am down with a bad flu, which gave me the rare opportunity to read the forum while the sun is still in the sky.

David · 5th September 2006, 01:29 PM

Sorry yo hear of your illness Kai Wee. I trust you will be back on you feet in no time.
I share your fondness for "singers" Rahman. I wonder if it has more to do with just tempering the blade. I would have thought that many of my older blades that don't sing would also have been tempered. I have thought that the pleasant ringing might have more to do with the types of metals used in the forging. Perhaps someone knows more.

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4th September 2006, 06:38 PM	#1
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,211	Thanks Kai Wee, for this thorough presentation on these difficult questions. The subtly of form changes as Bugis blades migrate from one area to another is a tough one to follow. The same goes for the form of dress. I am sure i will still be confused, but your input has been a great help.

4th September 2006, 11:48 PM	#2
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,992	Thank you BluErf for your response to my question. I will examine your submission in detail at my earliest opportunity, and ---hopefully---comment further.

5th September 2006, 10:20 AM	#3
rahman Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 84	I may be wrong, but one defining characteristic of a Straits Bugis or Malay blade vis-a-vis Sulawesi blade is the presence of a 'pinggang' (waist) on the blade. Malay blades tend to have this feature and gives the overall blade a refined flow. In contrast, the Sulawesi blades tend to be more broad and stocky. Just my 2 bits worth. For the ringing, I think that's the mark of a tempered blade. I call it singing and I luv keris that sing! My 2 bits worth again

5th September 2006, 10:51 AM	#4
BluErf Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,180	Rahman Sir, haven't heard from you for a long time! I am down with a bad flu, which gave me the rare opportunity to read the forum while the sun is still in the sky.

5th September 2006, 01:29 PM	#5
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,211	Sorry yo hear of your illness Kai Wee. I trust you will be back on you feet in no time. I share your fondness for "singers" Rahman. I wonder if it has more to do with just tempering the blade. I would have thought that many of my older blades that don't sing would also have been tempered. I have thought that the pleasant ringing might have more to do with the types of metals used in the forging. Perhaps someone knows more.