id small pretty letter opener

[vitorvt]

I finally found the forum I was looking for. If it's not here, then I don't know...
I'm Vitor T., I'm in Lisbon, Portugal, and for a few months now I've been trying to identify this small, beautiful letter opener that I inherited from my father.

I've already received the opinion of some experts, namely:
it's not Spanish,
it's from South America,
and the latest, which also seems most likely to me, is that it's a hunting knife "Jagdknicker", probably from eastern Germany or possibly western Central Europe, neo-Gothic style, 19th century around 1850-1860. I would like to confirm this identification.

There are a few issues. The mark or signature Jst. remains unidentified. Another is that after looking at thousands of images of knives and swords on the internet, I have yet to find others with the geometric elements of brass on the handle, or the composition and design of the handle, the figures on the blade, the shape of the blade, or a similar sheath.

Please help.
Thank you.

[Battara]

Greetings and welcome to our little forum!

Since it is European, I'll move this over to the European section where they could provide more help.

I don't know about it being a letter opener, but I like it.

[Sajen]

Hello Vitor,

Welcome to the forum!
In my humble opinion you have a very old and nice "Nicker" (not Knicker) from Germany or from Austria. I have a small collection of these hunting daggers which are also part of the traditional costume in parts of both countries.

Regards,
Detlef

[vitorvt]

Thank you.
Sajen, I happen to have a similar one. But it's not the same thing.

[Sajen]

They come in many different forms but the blade shape is the giveaway. The one in question from you seems to be very old, I never have seen a similar one. But it's for sure a "nicker"!

Regards,
Detlef

[vitorvt]

By very old, do you mean and agree on 1850–1860? Or older?

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by vitorvt

By very old, do you mean and agree on 1850–1860? Or older?

I can't put a real date on your nicker but I think that it's clearly from the 19th century.
I personally would clean it up a little bit.

[vitorvt]

Yes, I am waiting for the products to arrive: Renaissance Wax, Metal De-Corroder and Surface Cleaner (advertising aside), steel wool 0000 and scrubbing fiber pads. I don't know if I can clean the black stains, I think they're too ingrained, we'll see.

[gp]

Be carefull if or when cleaning it ...in order not to damage the yellowish ( gold ?) decoration on the blade !


'Bom dia !

It for certain is no letter opener but a smal knife or dagger originating from the region of the Holy Roman Empire (Sacrum Imperium Romanum Nationis Germanicae )based upon the type and decoration of the blade ;
most likely a saint as seen on many coins and coat of arms from Ragusa to Pomerania. Or a later copy of this style from the Iberian region...( the latter could make sense due to the historical Habsburgian connection Mexico, Spain, Austria...)

The type of knife is quite common found like Sajen stated in the Germanic speaking countries and neighbouring countries.

Indeed the grip is very interesting based upon the geometrical decoration which could indicate :

- either a fancy re-creation ( tourist?) at around 1900 or
- what I believe to be a beautiful piece like the filigree art on the grip as one sees in the Mediteranean countries and also Portugal from its style....

What is the grip made of ? Horn or bone?
And the scabbard? what metal and leather? Please use some colorless oil to clean and feed it, brings it back to life and maybe also shows better the decoration on the scabbard ( could help or be an indication of its origin as well) ...

So a lot of questions but anyway a very nice piece for sure !

[vitorvt]

The scabbard needs some special attention, it's a little worn. I think it's made of brass and some sort of leather.

I guess the grip is made of horn and resin.

Could my knife be a one-off, a special order, a Frankenknife? How about the signature Jst.? Is there no other similar one?

[gp]

Originally Posted by vitorvt

The scabbard needs some special attention, it's a little worn. I think it's made of brass and some sort of leather.
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I guess the grip is made of horn and resin.
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Could my knife be a one-off, a special order, a Frankenknife? How about the signature Jst.? Is there no other similar one?
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it normally is brass indeed, with most of these knives and daggers.
I believe by the looks the grip is horn like you mostly see with the knives of that period, sometimes it is bone...the white colour often turns a little yellow through the times of years of touching
The decoration on the grip is unusual for that type of knive so it could perhaps be custom-made by request for the buyer but the signature is an open question
Never seen something like it, but that doesn't mean much .
Remains the fact that it is a very beautiful and most interesting one !Felicitar Your father had good taste

[vitorvt]

Thank you gp. Yes he did.
I just found some similarities with Italian cinquedas.

in "Catalogue of European Daggers 1300 to 1800", by Dashford dean, NY1929, pags. 96, 97.

[gp]

it is getting more and more interesting the origin and relationship with the Iberian region!
as explained with this example, shown in the 2nd one from Venetia and 3rd one
based upon the brass filigree rosaces, although they are bigger daggers

best regards

Gunar

[vitorvt]

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[vitorvt]

Sajen, could you post a photo of the tang (the handle, from the top and/or bottom)? Is it the same as mine? Thank you.

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by vitorvt

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Sajen, could you post a photo of the tang (the handle, from the top and/or bottom)? Is it the same as mine? Thank you.

The ones I've posted are not mine, I've taken the pics from the net! But I can tell you that all I've seen until now don't show the cut outs by the tang. like I said before, it's the most unusual nicker I've seen until now but the blade shape tells me that's a nicker for sure. Therefore my guess is that it's a very old one and was one for a wealthy person.

Regards,
Detlef

[Sajen]

Here is one I have at hand, the most I have stored somewhere.

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by vitorvt

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Sajen, could you post a photo of the tang (the handle, from the top and/or bottom)? Is it the same as mine? Thank you.

This is a complete different animal, it's a dagger from Algeria.

[Sajen]

The marked "bolster" feature is typical for the most nicker, there are exceptions but the most have this feature.

[Sajen]

Found a few! But I have more of them. There are some from the early 20th century. I've bought them when they comes cheap!

Left from up to down: 1. Rehwappen, Solingen, 2. Gussstahl, Solingen, 3. unmarked, Fittings silver (925), 4. Puma, Solingen
Right from up to down: 1. A. W. JR. for Anton Wingen Junior, Solingen, 2. unmarked, 3. Ostmark (Austria was called like this during the Nazi area)

[Sajen]

Another very small one with a different blade shape, together with the one from Puma.

[gp]

Hi Detlev,

the bolster indeed looks the same, but that is one and actually the only aspect of similarity, or do I misunderstand you?

- what about the blade and its decoration? None of the German Solingen have the golden Medieval saint decoration or actually any decoration at all

- next to the filigree rosaces on the handle... which are not German but Italian and also found in Spain

- also "the curl"is part of the vitorv' s dagger blade and not the bolster like in all of your examples...

or am I looking into too much detail and perhaps mistaken or wrong ? what are your thoughts ?

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by gp

the bolster indeed looks the same, but that is one and actually the only aspect of similarity, or do I misunderstand you?

- what about the blade and its decoration? None of the German Solingen have the golden Medieval saint decoration or actually any decoration at all

- next to the filigree rosaces on the handle... which are not German but Italian and also found in Spain

- also "the curl"is part of the vitorv' s dagger blade and not the bolster like in all of your examples...

or am I looking into too much detail and perhaps mistaken or wrong ? what are your thoughts ?

Hi Gunar,

High class nicker could have decorations on the blade, I've seen a lot with decorations on the blade, can't find many examples online.
The handle decoration is indeed very unusual but frankly I am not aware of a nicker culture in Spain or Italy but there might be nicker in North Italy. I am very positive that the knife in question is a nicker. Also the blade shape tells me that it's a nicker.
Like said before, I guess that the piece in question is a very old example. But I am far away from being an expert on these daggers.
I asked Google KI if nicker are common in South Tyrol.

Regards,
Detlef

[Sajen]

Here a short description from Google KI

[Sajen]

The figure on the blade from Vitor's knife could be Hubertus von Liege, the tutelary saint of the hunters.

[gp]

great, thnx a lot for these examples!

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by gp

great, thnx a lot for these examples!

You're welcome!