12th-13th Century Jinete Swords?

anoakenstaff · Yesterday, 03:38 PM

Salaams, all.

I've been a lurker for a few years, and I wanted to make an account to ask about a couple things I thought were related enough to fit in one thread.

Firstly, what information do we have on jineta, or 'proto-jineta’ swords in the 1100s and 1200s? I know there’s very few surviving relevant swords for this period, including the ones Nicolle covers and the one in the ‘Identificacion de una espada jineta de guerra’ paper, but my knowledge is very lacking beyond the few papers, so I would love to know if there have been any other extants found, or more research published.

Secondly, I have been trying to write for a while on the sword found on this 13th-century French effigy of a knight of the d’Alluye family. While I have found some interesting similar features on European effigies or art (such as the pommel on the effigy of Hasculf de Subligny), the idea of this sword having been a jineta seems to have been raised and gone unanswered on the forum earlier, so I wanted to include that in case any forum members might have information that might relate this to a Spanish purchase or such. I’m particularly curious about the scabbard arrangement, I don't recall ever seeing anything quite like this before.

Photo from: https://www.metmuseum.org/perspectiv...ndering-knight

Ian · Yesterday, 05:50 PM

Hello anoakenstaff,

Welcome to the Forums here. Both of your questions relate to European arms in an historical context. I think you will find more information among those who frequent the European Armoury forum, so I'm transferring your request for information over there.

Regards,

Ian.

Jim McDougall · Yesterday, 10:04 PM

Just wanted to welcome you to the forum, and you have brought up a most esoteric and fascinating topic! While I cannot answer without further research at the moment, I just wanted to note I am most interested and will respond as I can. Meanwhile there are some here who have keen expertise, but the forum has been very quiet of late, so I dont want you to get discouraged and leave OK.

The fact that you mention Nicolle is a strong indicator you have already done serious research on this topic, so game on!

All best regards
Jim

Yesterday, 03:38 PM	#1
anoakenstaff Member Join Date: Jan 2026 Posts: 1	12th-13th Century Jinete Swords? Salaams, all. I've been a lurker for a few years, and I wanted to make an account to ask about a couple things I thought were related enough to fit in one thread. Firstly, what information do we have on jineta, or 'proto-jineta’ swords in the 1100s and 1200s? I know there’s very few surviving relevant swords for this period, including the ones Nicolle covers and the one in the ‘Identificacion de una espada jineta de guerra’ paper, but my knowledge is very lacking beyond the few papers, so I would love to know if there have been any other extants found, or more research published. Secondly, I have been trying to write for a while on the sword found on this 13th-century French effigy of a knight of the d’Alluye family. While I have found some interesting similar features on European effigies or art (such as the pommel on the effigy of Hasculf de Subligny), the idea of this sword having been a jineta seems to have been raised and gone unanswered on the forum earlier, so I wanted to include that in case any forum members might have information that might relate this to a Spanish purchase or such. I’m particularly curious about the scabbard arrangement, I don't recall ever seeing anything quite like this before. Photo from: https://www.metmuseum.org/perspectiv...ndering-knight Attached Images

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Yesterday, 05:50 PM	#2
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,657	Hello anoakenstaff, Welcome to the Forums here. Both of your questions relate to European arms in an historical context. I think you will find more information among those who frequent the European Armoury forum, so I'm transferring your request for information over there. Regards, Ian.

Yesterday, 10:04 PM	#3
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,799	Just wanted to welcome you to the forum, and you have brought up a most esoteric and fascinating topic! While I cannot answer without further research at the moment, I just wanted to note I am most interested and will respond as I can. Meanwhile there are some here who have keen expertise, but the forum has been very quiet of late, so I dont want you to get discouraged and leave OK. The fact that you mention Nicolle is a strong indicator you have already done serious research on this topic, so game on! All best regards Jim