Styrian basket hilted sword and Styrian dusage

serdar · 13th December 2025, 05:51 PM

Im deciding on those venetian infantry, if you know maybe someting about them, everything is as it should be, they are peened right, but no markings (which is normal, but less desired) and on crossguard they dont have usual italian stripes, i dont know how to better say about those stripes.

Victrix · 14th December 2025, 06:03 PM

I think Mark Twain wrote that the only thing certain in life are death and taxes. Very hard to know for sure that swords are original. But you seem to do very well and catching on quickly. I’m just a history buff who likes to collect as a personal hobby, so I have no professional expertise from museum work. Those Venetian swords look good. I guess on the South Eastern side of the Adriatic they used almost any blades they could get their hands on. Schiavonas have all kinds of blades, not only Italian made. Sometimes the blades were changed. Sometimes the swords were used for generations and refurbished when needed. It’s hard to see properly but the grips seem refurbished? The blade on the left has decorations some say are like rosaries which are used to keep track of Roman Catholic prayers (Ave Maria, etc) so presumably the blades were predominantly used in Catholic countries like Spain and Italy. The blade on the right could be Italian with those fullers, but I read some posts that Kaskara blades in North Africa look quite similar. Maybe some of our members can exclude this possibility in this case. As always, not easy to see and judge from photos.

serdar · 14th December 2025, 07:33 PM

Victrix[/QUOTE

You are right, yes schiavonas are world for them, baskets are usualy made in Italy, but lots of them are made in Dalmatia, and have bosancica, or croatian cirilic names of smiths on them.
For blades they used apsolutely everything.

Left blade indeed looks like rosary, and right blade i similar to kaskara but in hand is very diferent, there are records in Dubrovnik archives of bladesmith who worked for venetian republic and made that kind of blades with 3 and four fullers, those files are earlies that mention name due spadi schiavonesca from 14 century, S shaped schiavonesca sword.

Unfortunately, nothing is 100%, i would like for those blades to have punches or marks, but i know that lots of them are not marked, by my feel and experience till now im 99% sure they are genuine, they are also publicised in italy, and are now in first quarter of the next year planed for exibition and catalog, allso they are from well known old collection, but for the amount they cost, 100% is needed.

As is in life, one must decide and has a final word, and bears all the consequences.
So by the words of the Kramer, Rock on! 😁

serdar · 14th December 2025, 07:34 PM

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13th December 2025, 05:51 PM	#1
serdar Member Join Date: Feb 2023 Posts: 234	Im deciding on those venetian infantry, if you know maybe someting about them, everything is as it should be, they are peened right, but no markings (which is normal, but less desired) and on crossguard they dont have usual italian stripes, i dont know how to better say about those stripes. Attached Images

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14th December 2025, 06:03 PM	#2
Victrix Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Sweden Posts: 780	I think Mark Twain wrote that the only thing certain in life are death and taxes. Very hard to know for sure that swords are original. But you seem to do very well and catching on quickly. I’m just a history buff who likes to collect as a personal hobby, so I have no professional expertise from museum work. Those Venetian swords look good. I guess on the South Eastern side of the Adriatic they used almost any blades they could get their hands on. Schiavonas have all kinds of blades, not only Italian made. Sometimes the blades were changed. Sometimes the swords were used for generations and refurbished when needed. It’s hard to see properly but the grips seem refurbished? The blade on the left has decorations some say are like rosaries which are used to keep track of Roman Catholic prayers (Ave Maria, etc) so presumably the blades were predominantly used in Catholic countries like Spain and Italy. The blade on the right could be Italian with those fullers, but I read some posts that Kaskara blades in North Africa look quite similar. Maybe some of our members can exclude this possibility in this case. As always, not easy to see and judge from photos.

14th December 2025, 07:33 PM	#3
serdar Member Join Date: Feb 2023 Posts: 234	Victrix[/QUOTE You are right, yes schiavonas are world for them, baskets are usualy made in Italy, but lots of them are made in Dalmatia, and have bosancica, or croatian cirilic names of smiths on them. For blades they used apsolutely everything. Left blade indeed looks like rosary, and right blade i similar to kaskara but in hand is very diferent, there are records in Dubrovnik archives of bladesmith who worked for venetian republic and made that kind of blades with 3 and four fullers, those files are earlies that mention name due spadi schiavonesca from 14 century, S shaped schiavonesca sword. Unfortunately, nothing is 100%, i would like for those blades to have punches or marks, but i know that lots of them are not marked, by my feel and experience till now im 99% sure they are genuine, they are also publicised in italy, and are now in first quarter of the next year planed for exibition and catalog, allso they are from well known old collection, but for the amount they cost, 100% is needed. As is in life, one must decide and has a final word, and bears all the consequences. So by the words of the Kramer, Rock on! 😁