Madura Keris?

A. G. Maisey · 30th October 2025, 08:12 AM

Rob, you've used 'condong leleh' rather than 'condong campur', I think most people would agree with this usage, in fact I used to use leleh rather campur all the time myself.

A few months ago I was pulled up on this usage by a Javanese gentleman whom I regard as pretty well educated in matters revolving around the keris, he made the point that 'condong leleh' implies a 'soft angle' whilst 'condong campur' implies an angle that is not quite right. What he said made sense to me, even though the more usual usage is as you have given it.

Currently I'm using 'campur' & trying to find out how many people disagree with this. Currently its about a 50/50 split.

Jayaningkurnia · 24th November 2025, 09:33 PM

I understand in Madura, sandang walikat warangka are often used as the primary sandangan and more ornately decorated. There are several types/designs, among other Jurigan (the most common Sumenep style often paired with donoreko hilt), Saron, Nam-Nam, etc.

A. G. Maisey · 26th November 2025, 07:42 AM

Yes, some keris dress used in Madura is highly ornamented, my memory is that this ornamentation is not limited to sandang walikat form.

I do not understand the word "jurigan" in this context, can you please clarify.

Thank you.

Jayaningkurnia · 6th March 2026, 03:30 AM

Mr. Maisey, I was referring to the variations in the shape of the Madurese warangka.

To my understanding, Madura, or in particular Sumenep which is considered to be the older (sepuh) cultural center there, has several common designs for warangka. Among other there are: 'daunan' ('leaves', akin to java-style ladrang, albeit more like 'capu'), dhang-odhangan ('shrimp', akin to jogja-style gayaman, though alot more shrimp-like in shape), and jurigan (more symmetrical, western-style scabbard often featuring the sumenep's crest or jaran panoleh, like what is shown at the beginning of this thread - though this one is rather simple).

There's a paper written by students from Universitas Negeri Surabaya titled "KARAKTERISTIK KERIS SUMENEP KOLEKSI MOCH. MANSHUR HIDAYAT" by Ahmad Erwin Siswanto and Nunuk Giari Murwandani on this topic - worth reading if you are keen on Madurese/Sumenep krises.

A. G. Maisey · 7th March 2026, 08:56 PM

Thank you Jaya, I've had a look at that paper, just skimmed it, not yet read.

It appears to be a useful piece of work.

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30th October 2025, 08:12 AM	#1
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,191	Rob, you've used 'condong leleh' rather than 'condong campur', I think most people would agree with this usage, in fact I used to use leleh rather campur all the time myself. A few months ago I was pulled up on this usage by a Javanese gentleman whom I regard as pretty well educated in matters revolving around the keris, he made the point that 'condong leleh' implies a 'soft angle' whilst 'condong campur' implies an angle that is not quite right. What he said made sense to me, even though the more usual usage is as you have given it. Currently I'm using 'campur' & trying to find out how many people disagree with this. Currently its about a 50/50 split.

24th November 2025, 09:33 PM	#2
Jayaningkurnia Member Join Date: Nov 2025 Posts: 12	I understand in Madura, sandang walikat warangka are often used as the primary sandangan and more ornately decorated. There are several types/designs, among other Jurigan (the most common Sumenep style often paired with donoreko hilt), Saron, Nam-Nam, etc.

26th November 2025, 07:42 AM	#3
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,191	Yes, some keris dress used in Madura is highly ornamented, my memory is that this ornamentation is not limited to sandang walikat form. I do not understand the word "jurigan" in this context, can you please clarify. Thank you.

6th March 2026, 03:30 AM	#4
Jayaningkurnia Member Join Date: Nov 2025 Posts: 12	Mr. Maisey, I was referring to the variations in the shape of the Madurese warangka. To my understanding, Madura, or in particular Sumenep which is considered to be the older (sepuh) cultural center there, has several common designs for warangka. Among other there are: 'daunan' ('leaves', akin to java-style ladrang, albeit more like 'capu'), dhang-odhangan ('shrimp', akin to jogja-style gayaman, though alot more shrimp-like in shape), and jurigan (more symmetrical, western-style scabbard often featuring the sumenep's crest or jaran panoleh, like what is shown at the beginning of this thread - though this one is rather simple). There's a paper written by students from Universitas Negeri Surabaya titled "KARAKTERISTIK KERIS SUMENEP KOLEKSI MOCH. MANSHUR HIDAYAT" by Ahmad Erwin Siswanto and Nunuk Giari Murwandani on this topic - worth reading if you are keen on Madurese/Sumenep krises.

7th March 2026, 08:56 PM	#5
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,191	Thank you Jaya, I've had a look at that paper, just skimmed it, not yet read. It appears to be a useful piece of work.