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Old 29th June 2025, 11:06 AM   #1
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Yes/perhaps/not likely?

Or no information at all?
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Old 29th June 2025, 04:30 PM   #2
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Yes/perhaps/not likely?

Or no information at all?
Hello Gustav,

I've noticed this construction a few times before but I can't answer your question, sorry.

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Gustav, I did not reply to your questions immediately because I wanted to speak with two Balinese friends who know far more than I do about Balinese keris.

I now have their input.

In your posted image, the keris on the right does look as if it could be Balinese, however, I have never seen this cup-selut arrangement on any Balinese keris. Both my friends were of the opinion that this cup-selut feature was definitely not Balinese, one suggested that somebody who did not understand Balinese keris culture might have had it fitted.

There are some Balinese uwer that have a rather short stem. This short stem is intended to fit up inside the hilt.

I have seen similar cup-stem fittings on South Sumatera keris.

I cannot recall having seen this cup-stem feature, nor anything like it, on Javanese keris, East Javanese nor otherwise.

I have seen a cup fitting without stem on both Bugis & Peninsula keris, one of these cup fittings was a silver coin hammered to a cup shape to fit the bottom of the hilt.
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Sajen, thank you for you response!
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Alan, thank you for your response!

There is a Keris in Jensen's Krisdisk, which I at the beginning thought is a bit strange, with parts of perhaps different age and provenance mixed together.

Some time ago I came across a Keris with similar stem/cup construction, and by chance it has a similar Pendok. The whole thing is most likely from East-Java, but perhaps from Balinese people there, judging by the blade and Kinatah on it.

Then there is a picture of a Sunda(?) Keris, but the fit of hilt and Selut is poor, and the look of that hilt is recent or refurbished.
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Quite strange.
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Hello, I can only say that a kris I have, also came with a stem and cub construction like the keris on the right, but I don't know if this was original but it came in this composition at the time and because it was also mentioned in the krisdisc I have left it like this all this time (on page 16 of the krisdisk )
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