Polish saber a gem or im robed

[serdar]

Thank you but i determined i was deceived and robed, it is fake, sold by german antique weapons dealer active online, on facebook and in store who boost him self with 100 year experience, i wont name names, but it is a fraud and crime.

It was sold to me as original polish saber for great sum of money, without any mentioning of a year, or kostume saber, which he mentioned when i colided him with evidence of forgery.

So be careful when you buy expensive rare swords in great condition from established antique dealers, germany or where ever.

[Lee]

I suspect, from the lack of member responses, that your fears may be correct. I am not experienced at all with swords from this region, so consider my comments with great caution. The steel blade proper does appear to have some age, but the applied decorations on the blade and mounts may, indeed, be 'too good to be true' and more recent. Though of a different style and time, I am reminded of the 'enhancement' sometimes seen in forgeries of Viking Age swords that originate in eastern Europe.

Dealers do sometimes make mistakes without fraudulent intent, so the true test is whether a dealer values his reputation over the profits from a sale and offers a refund. If it is any consolation, I suspect any of us here who have amassed a collection of any significant size will have made mistakes along the way - I certainly have!

[Jim McDougall]

In total accord with what Lee says, Ive sure made my share of misTEAKES !!
As you said earlier Serdar, it is in essence TUITION.

It seems that the practice of 'enhancing' old blades is one of the most common ploys used by charlatans that have long been around. The 'industry' of these kinds of fakes has been extant in Poland and some of these East European countries for decades. These swords are quite rare so it is understandable that copies made would be lucrative.

The inscriptions and inlay work can be seen in many of the esoteric books on these swords, but the application seems far too heavily added.

[serdar]

I examined it under magnifier, it seems bordure on throath of scabbard is constructed using tiny pins thru holes made in metal strips, who ever made it it realy had a lot of work to do it,
It is imposible to see with naked eye.

[serdar]

Cap is glued with epoxy, new wood, ray skin burned to imitate age, and so on.
German reputable antique arms dealer/scamer and fraud dealer.

If someone wants to know his name, name of shop i bought from i can write it here or in pm.
( just to know what to avoid)

[awdaniec666]

I think the lesson for beginners here is that even with a lot of money and confidence, you can't replace knowledge. If this is combined with arrogance and a demanding demeanour, you might as well put your money into American shares.

[serdar]

Originally Posted by awdaniec666

I think the lesson for beginners here is that even with a lot of money and confidence, you can't replace knowledge. If this is combined with arrogance and a demanding demeanour, you might as well put your money into American shares.

You realy dont need to be such an *****, and bliss with happines that i lost money, becouse i hurt your ego before, that karabela where you obviously got offended, was a genuine italian blade, mounted in karabela hilt in 18 century.

So how much may hurt you and your glorious and wast knowledge of karabela swords, that is a genuine karabela saber.

Regarding this saber, 5 experts from two history museum proclaimed it real, but my feeling wasnt right with it, so that is a reason i destroyed very expensive sword to proove it is a fake, and i find out it is a fake.

Im not arogant, only with stupid people, who claim to know a lot, but write whole bible on a subject of karabela, but miss everything on it, so dont hold a grudge on me becouse i was right, and offended your ego.

And to pour some water on your glorifying ego who i see is very happy that i lost a huge sum of money, it is a pocket change to me, and awdaniec im not beginer in any sense, i collect antique weapons and religious objects over 25 years, my father collected, his father, all from ancestors from royalty from my original country, polish and european is not my strong side and i said that,( it is not a shame to tell that you dont know, nobody knows everything), as a mater it is my very week side, from 460 swords and sabers i collected in 25 years, and 230 from my ancestors, polish hussar and karabela i got 5 pieces, my ancestors 23, so dont be a judge becouse i made mistake, im learning as we all are, coce covek budi, cao.