Hungarian hussar saber Fringia

[serdar]

Second saber i posted is 1 milion percent genuine, it is from old collection from my country, with provenance, but fringia one i took in a hurry on an auction,
And now after i spent half a day examining it im leaning toward conclusion that i fxd up, i bought in a hurry a very very good fake?

Maybe a blade is genuine, but mountings do look newish.

I will take it to institut in my town and get it checked, if it proves to be a fake, contact a auction house and get it back.

I have doubts now on a polish saber i posted yesterday, that was a private acuisition but very costly one.

From now on i will bring a team of experts, x ray machine, wizard with cristal ball and magician when im buyng polish/hungarian items.
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[corrado26]

could you please make fotos of the sabre in post 1 like this one?

[serdar]

Offcourse.

[serdar]

I took pictures, but after i examined the saber completely( i bought it and put it aside didnt examine it) im a shamed that i bought this fake, it is sooo good made on surface, i was sure im buyng real saber in great condition, but blade is so soft i bent it with ease, ring holders got no wear, and wood in scabbard is darkened on the entrance 10 centimeters later, it is new!
This is so emberasing, i bought something in a hurry that im not familiar with, and boy i bought it!
Every school costs.

So please be careful, examine things you buy in peace and 100%, and treat them as if they are fake, when you relax a too much and get secure that is a moment you fail and trip.

[corrado26]

As you can see, there are no signs of wear or age on the rings, which would be expected if it were an old, worn piece. Unfortunately, that is not the case, so this is probably not an original saber - as beautiful as it may be!

[serdar]

Yes, i didnt checked that when i was purchasing it, on this type of "military saber" i would definetly expect that place to be worn out, if it was caried, but why i didnt check it out is becouse saber in general looks little carryed, so there wouldnt be that much wear there, but there is no wear at all, not even 0.01 mm, as other things on saber indicate (leather on handle worn out, bruises on scabbard (metal parts), blade etc, but leather on scabbard is also in too good condition for saber that is worn, it is relatively soft leather.

But i encountered on some turkish and persian saber which are original and 100% genuine, that there is no wear in ring holders, why i realy dont know, maybe they werent caried on the body like this saber but was fixed to horse, they were caried by high ranking warior and saw little use, on the back secured by strings etc.

But it is interesting thing, so wear on place where ring is isnt allways indicator of age, and doesent wear out like on others, materials, way of carry, way of construction of ring holder etc.

But this saber is undoubtadly not genuine, somebody gave a lot of efort to make her that good looking.

[corrado26]

I looked at the photos of the FRINGIA saber again. It seems possible to me that the forger only made the then missing scabbard. At least I can't see anything on the saber based on the photos that suggests it's a fake.

[Pertinax]

Originally Posted by serdar

But this saber is undoubtadly not genuine, somebody gave a lot of efort to make her that good looking.

Hungarian and Polish sabres and broadswords are among the most common fakes. Two years ago I wanted to buy a Hungarian broadsword from 1763, but I consulted with more knowledgeable colleagues in time. The broadsword turned out to be a fake, and I refused to buy it.

This broadsword is still hanging at auction, there are no takers.

As a rule, the first buyer pays a lot of money, then these items fall in price and hang around at auctions.

Unfortunately, here on the forum you cannot discuss items that are put up for auction, but no one forbids you from contacting participants in private messages.

Best regards,
Yuri