blade identification

[Green]

Rasdan;

Thank you . Although you said that this type of blade is quite popular in Sumatera I can't recall I've seen any . Krisdisk also did not show this type for Sumateran kerises.

David;

You're absolutely right keris is about the blade primarily. Althouh to me I can only feel the attraction of an assemble if the sheath and hilt are of very good quality.My point was that the hilt, pendokok and the sheath are all from the same region (kelantan/patani) so it is much easier for me to replace this blade with kelantan/patani blade (may be saras as the batang serunai (to use the malay /patani terminology) is quite long. For this 'sumatran/west jawa) blade it would be much harder for me to find appropriate sheath and hilt for this blade.

How is the pesi of your blade? is it thick and short as mine?

Alan;

Based on your comment that the blade is possibly West Jawa/SE Sumatera, would it be appropriate for me to put a Ceribon style hilt (one of those raksaksa type) a mendak and landrang sheath for this blade? or what is a better dress for it?

[David]

Originally Posted by Green

...you said that this type of blade is quite popular in Sumatera I can't recall I've seen any . Krisdisk also did not show this type for Sumateran kerises.

Can you explain further what you mean when you say "this type of blade". It does appear that the dhapur of you keris is very much the same as both the example i showed and the one Rasdan shows from the book. Though i suspect there is a good possibility that the blade in Rasdan's example may have originated in Jawa given the time it is said to be from. Jawa, as you know, had a great influence of keris development in certain areas of Sumatra. But all three of these keris share similar element regarding the style of tikel alis, gandik, blumbangan and greneng. It is a shame that the greneng on your blade is eroded, as i am sure that could tell us more. But all three of these blades have a short section pf greneng on the blade and just a single spike at the topside of the gonjo.

[A. G. Maisey]

Green, I would be reluctant to make any recommendations on dress for this keris, the main reason being that my knowledge of the finer details of keris dress outside of the core culture is quite deficient.

This deficiency is not only due to my own interests, but also to the seemingly very great lack of consistency in identifying geographic point of origin of dress forms once we move away from The Land of Jawa.

Blades did travel all around SE Asia, so did good quality dress fittings, and once we move away from areas under the direct influence of traditional ruling entities, it seems that people had no hesitation about combining the separate parts of a complete keris in accord with their own ideas of suitability.

Then we have the dealers & collectors who combine on the basis of personal necessity or taste.

However, that said, I personally like the dress that this keris is in right now, and I have seen & handled numerous keris that have this hilt style paired to this scabbard style, the pendokok looks a bit out of place, I think, but if this keris were to be in my possession maybe that is the only thing I'd change.

To my way of thinking the only thing that really needs to be done is to fit the blade properly, and that is usually a minor job, but one requiring care & patience.

[Green]

Alan;

For a Malay (Kelantan/Patani /Malaysia) dress the pendokok is perfectly suitable for this hilt. Both came from the same region; at least that's how I understand it. I may be wrong as my keris knowledge is still quite rudimentary although I am from Kelantan.

To get the blade fit properly in this sheath is easy for me as I have keris sheath and hilt maker here that can do all sorts of repairs for me.


David;

Yes I mean dhapur . My use of correct terminology is sadly wanting especially for keris outside of Malaysia.

If you don't mind, can you show us the dress of your keris?

[A. G. Maisey]

As I have said Green, my knowledge is deficient.

[rasdan]

Here's one example Green: