Antique luzon blade need help in identifying

[xasterix]

Originally Posted by bathala

Dahong bolo? I'm not framiliar with the term but is it synonymous with dahong palay? Where did that name originate?

The blade profile was documented and illustrated by Atienza (1917) in his thesis on Taal blades. It was also produced in several CALABARZON areas, but currently not being made anymore; it has been replaced by "dahong buho/buo" another entry in the leaf series of blades.

The bolo version is different than the palay. To my knowledge those are the three distinct versions: palay, bolo, buho/buo.

[bathala]

Originally Posted by xasterix

The blade profile was documented and illustrated by Atienza (1917) in his thesis on Taal blades. It was also produced in several CALABARZON areas, but currently not being made anymore; it has been replaced by "dahong buho/buo" another entry in the leaf series of blades.

The bolo version is different than the palay. To my knowledge those are the three distinct versions: palay, bolo, buho/buo.

If you don't mind can you please post the template?

[bathala]

Originally Posted by xasterix

The blade profile was documented and illustrated by Atienza (1917) in his thesis on Taal blades. It was also produced in several CALABARZON areas, but currently not being made anymore; it has been replaced by "dahong buho/buo" another entry in the leaf series of blades.

The bolo version is different than the palay. To my knowledge those are the three distinct versions: palay, bolo, buho/buo.

I apologize but who is this atienza? How does his thesis sway the names of the blades? I am from a long line from laguna and the name really sounds funny to me

[chmorshuutz]

Originally Posted by bathala

I apologize but who is this atienza? How does his thesis sway the names of the blades? I am from a long line from laguna and the name really sounds funny to me

Atienza made an ethnographic paper of blades and farm implements used in Taal around 1917. He did label two blades that are called "dahong palay" and "dahong bolo", but I never heard of the latter, it's probably a misheard "dahong buho" which is the other profile used today that has "dahon" in it.

[bathala]

Originally Posted by chmorshuutz

Atienza made an ethnographic paper of blades and farm implements used in Taal around 1917. He did label two blades that are called "dahong palay" and "dahong bolo", but I never heard of the latter, it's probably a misheard "dahong buho" which is the other profile used today that has "dahon" in it.

Thanks for this reply! Now I see! Yes dahong buho makes sense dahong bolo does not. It is good to scrutinize a thesis as it is "to be proved" thank you for the template aswell! Not all are willing to share info

[h0ll0wman]

Originally Posted by chmorshuutz

Atienza made an ethnographic paper of blades and farm implements used in Taal around 1917. He did label two blades that are called "dahong palay" and "dahong bolo", but I never heard of the latter, it's probably a misheard "dahong buho" which is the other profile used today that has "dahon" in it.

Wow this information is indeed useful. It is good you shared this information for the benefit of all. Like you and Bathala I also never heard of dahong bolo. I am also not well-versed in the classification of these kind of blades hence my call for help. Thank you for the contribution of everyone regarding my blade.

[xasterix]

Originally Posted by chmorshuutz

Atienza made an ethnographic paper of blades and farm implements used in Taal around 1917. He did label two blades that are called "dahong palay" and "dahong bolo", but I never heard of the latter, it's probably a misheard "dahong buho" which is the other profile used today that has "dahon" in it.

I believe they are different- if you check the modern blades being sold in laguna and Quezon, there is dahong buho / buo, but it's of a different profile vs the dahong bolo as drawn by Atienza or the dahong bolo being sold in Quezon.

@bathala
Regarding the use of "thesis" it's different from "hypothesis" of the scientific method, which is to be proven. In this case, as with other theses, Atienza's is documentation. It would be nice if this were corroborated, but currently I'm not aware of any document from that era that has similar content

[bathala]

Originally Posted by xasterix

I believe they are different- if you check the modern blades being sold in laguna and Quezon, there is dahong buho / buo, but it's of a different profile vs the dahong bolo as drawn by Atienza or the dahong bolo being sold in Quezon.

@bathala
Regarding the use of "thesis" it's different from "hypothesis" of the scientific method, which is to be proven. In this case, as with other theses, Atienza's is documentation. It would be nice if this were corroborated, but currently I'm not aware of any document from that era that has similar content

I think that still this thesis should be taken with a grain of salt. As you can see with the templates both minasbad and sundang is in there. He might have not ben thorough or relied on second hand account that might have caused misunderstanding. Still for me I don't think the is a dahong bolo term. Bolo or itak would be sufficient. Besides bolo leaf does no make any sense.

[chmorshuutz]

Originally Posted by bathala

I think that still this thesis should be taken with a grain of salt. As you can see with the templates both minasbad and sundang is in there. He might have not ben thorough or relied on second hand account that might have caused misunderstanding. Still for me I don't think the is a dahong bolo term. Bolo or itak would be sufficient. Besides bolo leaf does no make any sense.

Minsabad, I can understand, but Batangas is not far from Bicol so it's still possible. As for Sundang, it's not surprising, the term sundang is Tagalog as well. It's just that most people associate the term with Visayans and Bicolanos because they use it more frequently in those regions.

[bathala]

Originally Posted by chmorshuutz

Minsabad, I can understand, but Batangas is not far from Bicol so it's still possible. As for Sundang, it's not surprising, the term sundang is Tagalog as well. It's just that most people associate the term with Visayans and Bicolanos because they use it more frequently in those regions.

Maybe not in the realm of impossible. Actually there is a lot of profiles here that can be used for identification but it is still confusing if you look at it straightforward. If we go by this xasterix sword look more like the sundang than the" dahong bolo:

[h0ll0wman]

Originally Posted by chmorshuutz

Atienza made an ethnographic paper of blades and farm implements used in Taal around 1917. He did label two blades that are called "dahong palay" and "dahong bolo", but I never heard of the latter, it's probably a misheard "dahong buho" which is the other profile used today that has "dahon" in it.

I just found out that Atienza's scanned papers are publicly available online at the Henry Otley-Beyer Collection of the National Library of the Philippines Digital Collections. Here it is.