Kala and the carvings on a keris hilt

jagabuwana · 18th January 2022, 03:41 AM

That tracks Alan, I agree with you completely. Please don't bow to my opinion on this, it is no more valid than yours. Anyway by most criteria I have qualified myself out of the faith.

Islam is at its heart, I think, an ascetic and sober religion, so anything rousing to the senses is treated with caution. That so happens to cover the joys of music, the topic of which seems to get the same kind of reaction from many Muslims that your engraver had about his carvings. There are many prohibitions in Islam that many a believer will find very uncomfortable and when confronted with it will find a way to reconcile it. I am happy the keris and at least some of its elements were reconciled because from what I understand about Islam it could have just as easily been erased. Maybe the guardians on the hilts did their jobs well.

A. G. Maisey · 18th January 2022, 05:49 AM

The thing that gets me about the all faiths of The Book is that at their core they are are all the same, all worship the same One God, and at their absolute root all come from the same source, but all the variations seem to believe that their own interpretation is the only correct one.

One God, but many interpretations, and the interpretations are from Man, not from God.

Then if we factor in the Hindu faith we find that once again we only have one Supreme Being, or one God with a capital "G":- Ishvara.

The multitude of deities being no more than aspects of Ishvara.

I reckon God must cry sometimes to see the mess that His creation, Man has made of things.

Anthony G. · 18th January 2022, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

The thing that gets me about the all faiths of The Book is that at their core they are are all the same, all worship the same One God, and at their absolute root all come from the same source, but all the variations seem to believe that their own interpretation is the only correct one.

One God, but many interpretations, and the interpretations are from Man, not from God.

Then if we factor in the Hindu faith we find that once again we only have one Supreme Being, or one God with a capital "G":- Ishvara.

The multitude of deities being no more than aspects of Ishvara.

I reckon God must cry sometimes to see the mess that His creation, Man has made of things.

I absolutely agreed with you Alan. I do sometimes think of these issues as well and why mankind loves to create complications.

A. G. Maisey · 18th January 2022, 10:42 AM

Anthony, I feel that it is rather that man loves power, certainly the gaining and retention of that power will create complication.

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18th January 2022, 03:41 AM	#1
jagabuwana Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 292	That tracks Alan, I agree with you completely. Please don't bow to my opinion on this, it is no more valid than yours. Anyway by most criteria I have qualified myself out of the faith. Islam is at its heart, I think, an ascetic and sober religion, so anything rousing to the senses is treated with caution. That so happens to cover the joys of music, the topic of which seems to get the same kind of reaction from many Muslims that your engraver had about his carvings. There are many prohibitions in Islam that many a believer will find very uncomfortable and when confronted with it will find a way to reconcile it. I am happy the keris and at least some of its elements were reconciled because from what I understand about Islam it could have just as easily been erased. Maybe the guardians on the hilts did their jobs well.

18th January 2022, 05:49 AM	#2
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,085	The thing that gets me about the all faiths of The Book is that at their core they are are all the same, all worship the same One God, and at their absolute root all come from the same source, but all the variations seem to believe that their own interpretation is the only correct one. One God, but many interpretations, and the interpretations are from Man, not from God. Then if we factor in the Hindu faith we find that once again we only have one Supreme Being, or one God with a capital "G":- Ishvara. The multitude of deities being no more than aspects of Ishvara. I reckon God must cry sometimes to see the mess that His creation, Man has made of things.

18th January 2022, 10:42 AM	#4
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,085	Anthony, I feel that it is rather that man loves power, certainly the gaining and retention of that power will create complication.