An appeal to all non-posting members

Zifir · 3rd June 2006, 05:54 AM

In my case, this invitation would be like suggesting a madman to throw stones around

As I have watched this forum so far, the people here are friendly and helpful. However, the questions I have are usually related to the historical usage of weapons and I hesitate to bother the members who seem to concentrate more on the collection side.

VANDOO · 3rd June 2006, 06:28 AM

YOU MIGHT BE SUPRIZED AT THE WIDE RANGE OF QUESTIONS YOU CAN GET ANSWERED ON THIS FORUM. GRANTED MOST POSTS DEAL WITH COLLECTING ISSUES SUCH AS IDENTIFICATION,AGE, LOCATION AND TRIBE OR PRESERVATION. BUT MANY MEMBERS ARE CURRENTLY INVOLVED OR HAVE BEEN IN MARTIAL ARTS SO CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS ON TECKNIQE AND SOME HISTORY. THERE ARE ALSO THOSE WHO SPECILIZE IN HISTORY AND EVEN SOME WHO'S SPECIALTY IS LINGUISTICS. WE HAVE MEMBERS FROM SEVERAL DIFFERENT COUNTRYS AS WELL. OFTEN THEY ARE WORRIED ABOUT THEIR USE OF ENGLISH NOT BEING GOOD ENOUGH TO PARTICIPATE, BUT WHEN YOU CONSIDER MY POOR SPELLING,GRAMAR AND PUNCTUATION THEY HAVE NO WORRIES

SO HAVE NO FEAR AND POST AWAY WE MAY POKE FUN AT MEMBERS WE KNOW BUT WE DON'T MAKE FUN OF ANYONE OR THEIR QUESTIONS. JUST READ THE RULES SO YOU DON'T GET CROSSWAYS WITH THE MODERATORS AND ALL WILL BE WELL.

ariel · 3rd June 2006, 06:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zifir

In my case, this invitation would be like suggesting a madman to throw stones around

As I have watched this forum so far, the people here are friendly and helpful. However, the questions I have are usually related to the historical usage of weapons and I hesitate to bother the members who seem to concentrate more on the collection side.

OK, give us a try...

William.m · 3rd June 2006, 03:08 PM

Hah, well I have been coverted from long time lurker to infrequent poster.

huzza!!

By the way Ariel, did my etch solution work ok for you?

Will

ariel · 3rd June 2006, 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by William.m

Hah, well I have been coverted from long time lurker to infrequent poster.

huzza!!

By the way Ariel, did my etch solution work ok for you?

Will

Tried it on a very nice serrated Tulwar: zilch. Either I am a technical failure or it is not wootz.

Angren · 3rd June 2006, 10:04 PM

Hello! Well I am 16 years and collecting. But mutch, I dont have just 2 dha/darbs but my 3rd is on its way!

Rick · 3rd June 2006, 10:36 PM

Welcome Angren !
It's good to have you aboard .

Feel free to consult the Dha Guys about anything ; I can't think of a nicer bunch .

Rick

M.carter · 3rd June 2006, 11:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Angren

Hello! Well I am 16 years and collecting. But mutch, I dont have just 2 dha/darbs but my 3rd is on its way!

Almost as old as I am, welcome to these great forums! I will tell you, you will not find a warmer and friendlier forum than this one on the net

To your luck, this forum has most of the dha/darb loving community posting on it, and they would be very glad to help you out with anything you need.

M.carter · 3rd June 2006, 11:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by William.m

Hah, well I have been coverted from long time lurker to infrequent poster.

huzza!!

By the way Ariel, did my etch solution work ok for you?

Will

Welcome here William

M.carter · 3rd June 2006, 11:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zifir

In my case, this invitation would be like suggesting a madman to throw stones around

As I have watched this forum so far, the people here are friendly and helpful. However, the questions I have are usually related to the historical usage of weapons and I hesitate to bother the members who seem to concentrate more on the collection side.

Your not the only one around here my friend

S.Al-Anizi · 4th June 2006, 10:01 PM

Hello,

Ive known vikingsword for a long time, and Ive just joined, I already posted a few times, but I must say, Im very familiar with this forum, its moderators, and its members.

HINT: im the guy right above...

Rick · 4th June 2006, 10:23 PM

I have a question for the young man formerly known as Mark Carter .

Do you have a first part of your name that you would like us to call you as we did your former persona Mark ?

A warm (re) welcome to the forum .

Rick

S.Al-Anizi · 4th June 2006, 11:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick

I have a question for the young man formerly known as Mark Carter .

Do you have a first part of your name that you would like us to call you as we did your former persona Mark ?

A warm (re) welcome to the forum .

Rick

hehehe... I really do not know what to say, I have no credibility anymore, as I am a pathological liar because of this 4 year long lie.

I wish to retain my former persona, "mark", in the minds of the board members, and resume to share my limited knowledge in my field, and continue helping with translations from arabic, but with a new name, my real name and character, Saqr, pronounced "Saggir". I wish you would delete my older account, and that I would re-start with this one.

Thanks for all the help Rick

Rick · 5th June 2006, 01:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by S.Al-Anizi

hehehe... I really do not know what to say, I have no credibility anymore, as I am a pathological liar because of this 4 year long lie.

I wish to retain my former persona, "mark", in the minds of the board members, and resume to share my limited knowledge in my field, and continue helping with translations from arabic, but with a new name, my real name and character, Saqr, pronounced "Saggir". I wish you would delete my older account, and that I would re-start with this one.

Thanks for all the help Rick

Well then , Saqr it is and will be .

I suppose I could ban the old Mark Carter but that would be fruitless ; we certainly do not wish to delete your old posts so let us consider you reborn !
A Phoenix rising from the ashes of your old persona . We shall just let the old persona fade into obscurity Saqr .

From now on Mark Carter is history and he is reborn as you .

------------------------------------------------------------------------

Jim , beautifully said on your part !
I was lost until I was directed here by Paul, a man who I have the highest respect and admiration for .

Through thick and thin from the days of Oakeshott this place has been my internet home .

I wish to thank all of you for your generous sharing of information over the years .
Most of all I cannot even begin to express my gratitude to Dr. Lee Jones for making this place possible .

S.Al-Anizi · 5th June 2006, 01:16 AM

Nice insight Jim, very good post, as usual. As you found the dealers to be story tellers extraordinaire, Im going through this stage now, and expanding my personal library and increasing my visual information in my field of interest, for me to learn continuously, and hopefully someday, end that with a publication, and get even with other people who continuously bugged me, looked down upon me, and even called me an "ass" on another website.

Andrew · 5th June 2006, 02:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by S.Al-Anizi

hehehe... I really do not know what to say, I have no credibility anymore, as I am a pathological liar because of this 4 year long lie.

I wish to retain my former persona, "mark", in the minds of the board members, and resume to share my limited knowledge in my field, and continue helping with translations from arabic, but with a new name, my real name and character, Saqr, pronounced "Saggir". I wish you would delete my older account, and that I would re-start with this one.

Thanks for all the help Rick

Bravo, Saqr! I started posting here under the psuedonym "chacon" and later changed to my given name.

I'll see if the forum software will allow me to merge your posts and personas in some fashion as simply deleting your "M.Carter" identity will delet all prior posts, I believe.

Jim McDougall · 4th June 2006, 11:58 PM

This has been an especially interesting thread, and it is rewarding to see the responses of members who have lurked

and particularly those very young members. I had no idea of the youth of some of you guys, you all sound a great deal older in your mature manner of speaking and expressing yourselves. I am very impressed and as Wolviex wisely noted, you are indeed our future in our quest to further research on antique and historical ethnographic edged weapons.

The questions asked here perpetuate the research that is essential for us all to learn. By sharing data and newly acquired weapons we all gain from the knowledge acquired. It is like a monumental building project in which we all work together placing bricks, steel, mortar and constantly do so in concert with each other. Everyone has thier own areas of interest and expertise and specialize in matters accordingly. We have the dha guys, the keris krowd and lots of us that are sort of jacks of all trades.

I remember as a young guy collecting my first few weapons (one of my first was a Moro keris seen in a garage...I helped the guy sand down a Model A frame to get it!). I was so desperate to learn, but there were no forums, no wise old collectors to learn from, very few books around, and the few antique dealers were, uh, story tellers extraordinaire! What b.s.!!

I decided to start buying books from various mail order places, and building my own library to learn myself. Over the years, I bought every book I could find, even on topics that I never imagined would apply to my collecting, but found regulation military patterns were actually findable. Along with my rusty old keris, there were a number of assorted bayonets, mostly 50 cent items found in barrels at war surplus stores.
As years went by, and my library grew, out of probably sheer audacity, I started writing to various authors with my questions, thinking they would probably never write back. I was shocked! Many of these icons of early arms literature actually did write back! and over the years I became at least on friendly terms with these gracious gentlemen. Thier grace and patience in answering the questions of an empassioned young collector earned my deepest respect, and remains firmly emplaced in my regard toward authors.

By this same token, speaking to the younger members of our forum, who are clearly much more well versed and well informed than I was at that age, I wanted to tell you how much your presence here is valued, and I encourage you to not only ask the questions, but further the research. I deparately wanted to learn, and would have given anything to have a medium such as these forums. Now that I have reached the age that I am and gratefully learned a great deal, I find that I am still learning, and ironically much of it is generated by you young guys and the comments you make and the questions you ask!!
Regarding the note by Zifir concerning focus on collecting as opposed to historical discussion, they are both deeply connected, and the emphasis on one typicaly leads to the other. A weapon is acquired and the historical data is reviewed as we try to discover more on its origins, use and possible provenance.

For those 'lurkers', I suspect by your mere presence here that you have a great deal more knowledge already than you may realize on the subjects we discuss. We need your help as well ,as the questions you ask draw from that knowledge which you inately possess and often generate facts which may not be known or available to many of us.

Thanks everybody for enduring my 'trip down memory lane'

and most of all for making this forum what it is, a sanctuary for learning among friends,
All best wishes,
Jim

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3rd June 2006, 05:54 AM	#1
Zifir Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Istanbul Posts: 228	In my case, this invitation would be like suggesting a madman to throw stones around As I have watched this forum so far, the people here are friendly and helpful. However, the questions I have are usually related to the historical usage of weapons and I hesitate to bother the members who seem to concentrate more on the collection side.

3rd June 2006, 06:28 AM	#2
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	YOU MIGHT BE SUPRIZED AT THE WIDE RANGE OF QUESTIONS YOU CAN GET ANSWERED ON THIS FORUM. GRANTED MOST POSTS DEAL WITH COLLECTING ISSUES SUCH AS IDENTIFICATION,AGE, LOCATION AND TRIBE OR PRESERVATION. BUT MANY MEMBERS ARE CURRENTLY INVOLVED OR HAVE BEEN IN MARTIAL ARTS SO CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS ON TECKNIQE AND SOME HISTORY. THERE ARE ALSO THOSE WHO SPECILIZE IN HISTORY AND EVEN SOME WHO'S SPECIALTY IS LINGUISTICS. WE HAVE MEMBERS FROM SEVERAL DIFFERENT COUNTRYS AS WELL. OFTEN THEY ARE WORRIED ABOUT THEIR USE OF ENGLISH NOT BEING GOOD ENOUGH TO PARTICIPATE, BUT WHEN YOU CONSIDER MY POOR SPELLING,GRAMAR AND PUNCTUATION THEY HAVE NO WORRIES SO HAVE NO FEAR AND POST AWAY WE MAY POKE FUN AT MEMBERS WE KNOW BUT WE DON'T MAKE FUN OF ANYONE OR THEIR QUESTIONS. JUST READ THE RULES SO YOU DON'T GET CROSSWAYS WITH THE MODERATORS AND ALL WILL BE WELL.

3rd June 2006, 03:08 PM	#4
William.m Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: England Posts: 104	Hah, well I have been coverted from long time lurker to infrequent poster. huzza!! By the way Ariel, did my etch solution work ok for you? Will

3rd June 2006, 10:04 PM	#6
Angren Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Sweden Posts: 10	Hello! Well I am 16 years and collecting. But mutch, I dont have just 2 dha/darbs but my 3rd is on its way!

3rd June 2006, 10:36 PM	#7
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	Welcome Angren ! It's good to have you aboard . Feel free to consult the Dha Guys about anything ; I can't think of a nicer bunch . Rick

4th June 2006, 10:01 PM	#11
S.Al-Anizi Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Arabia Posts: 278	Hello, Ive known vikingsword for a long time, and Ive just joined, I already posted a few times, but I must say, Im very familiar with this forum, its moderators, and its members. HINT: im the guy right above...

4th June 2006, 10:23 PM	#12
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	I have a question for the young man formerly known as Mark Carter . Do you have a first part of your name that you would like us to call you as we did your former persona Mark ? A warm (re) welcome to the forum . Rick

5th June 2006, 01:16 AM	#15
S.Al-Anizi Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Arabia Posts: 278	Nice insight Jim, very good post, as usual. As you found the dealers to be story tellers extraordinaire, Im going through this stage now, and expanding my personal library and increasing my visual information in my field of interest, for me to learn continuously, and hopefully someday, end that with a publication, and get even with other people who continuously bugged me, looked down upon me, and even called me an "ass" on another website.

4th June 2006, 11:58 PM	#17
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,193	This has been an especially interesting thread, and it is rewarding to see the responses of members who have lurked and particularly those very young members. I had no idea of the youth of some of you guys, you all sound a great deal older in your mature manner of speaking and expressing yourselves. I am very impressed and as Wolviex wisely noted, you are indeed our future in our quest to further research on antique and historical ethnographic edged weapons. The questions asked here perpetuate the research that is essential for us all to learn. By sharing data and newly acquired weapons we all gain from the knowledge acquired. It is like a monumental building project in which we all work together placing bricks, steel, mortar and constantly do so in concert with each other. Everyone has thier own areas of interest and expertise and specialize in matters accordingly. We have the dha guys, the keris krowd and lots of us that are sort of jacks of all trades. I remember as a young guy collecting my first few weapons (one of my first was a Moro keris seen in a garage...I helped the guy sand down a Model A frame to get it!). I was so desperate to learn, but there were no forums, no wise old collectors to learn from, very few books around, and the few antique dealers were, uh, story tellers extraordinaire! What b.s.!! I decided to start buying books from various mail order places, and building my own library to learn myself. Over the years, I bought every book I could find, even on topics that I never imagined would apply to my collecting, but found regulation military patterns were actually findable. Along with my rusty old keris, there were a number of assorted bayonets, mostly 50 cent items found in barrels at war surplus stores. As years went by, and my library grew, out of probably sheer audacity, I started writing to various authors with my questions, thinking they would probably never write back. I was shocked! Many of these icons of early arms literature actually did write back! and over the years I became at least on friendly terms with these gracious gentlemen. Thier grace and patience in answering the questions of an empassioned young collector earned my deepest respect, and remains firmly emplaced in my regard toward authors. By this same token, speaking to the younger members of our forum, who are clearly much more well versed and well informed than I was at that age, I wanted to tell you how much your presence here is valued, and I encourage you to not only ask the questions, but further the research. I deparately wanted to learn, and would have given anything to have a medium such as these forums. Now that I have reached the age that I am and gratefully learned a great deal, I find that I am still learning, and ironically much of it is generated by you young guys and the comments you make and the questions you ask!! Regarding the note by Zifir concerning focus on collecting as opposed to historical discussion, they are both deeply connected, and the emphasis on one typicaly leads to the other. A weapon is acquired and the historical data is reviewed as we try to discover more on its origins, use and possible provenance. For those 'lurkers', I suspect by your mere presence here that you have a great deal more knowledge already than you may realize on the subjects we discuss. We need your help as well ,as the questions you ask draw from that knowledge which you inately possess and often generate facts which may not be known or available to many of us. Thanks everybody for enduring my 'trip down memory lane' and most of all for making this forum what it is, a sanctuary for learning among friends, All best wishes, Jim