Old talibong

jokrho · 16th May 2021, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by xasterix

Thanks for the redirect Detlef!

Interesting blade; something about the profile reminds me more of a pinuti- Cebu rather than Leyte/Samar. Also the first time I've seen the date engraved on the blade.

I concur.

The blade profile is that of a Cebuano pinuti. But a lovely specimen of an early one. Congrats!

Battara · 16th May 2021, 08:10 PM

I agree and it is uncommon to see this type of floral blade engravings (though some even have brass inlay).

h0ll0wman · 18th May 2021, 02:23 AM

Thank you for the insights! Perhaps this is an old Pinuti from Cebu rather than a talibong from Samar?

Battara · 19th May 2021, 04:01 AM

Oh I think tailbong came from Cebu too.

h0ll0wman · 19th May 2021, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Battara

Oh I think tailbong came from Cebu too.

Thank you for the clarification. To be honest, I am confused about the pinuti and talibong.

xasterix · 19th May 2021, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Battara

Oh I think tailbong came from Cebu too.

Hope you don't mind me correcting... "talibong" term actually isn't endemic in Leyte/Samar. The Waray call their battle blades as "sundang" and their utility ones as "bolo." While there's been info in this forum that the rattan-wrapped, thumb-indented, heavy-bellied bolo used to be called "garab," the Filipino Traditional Blades research group is still gathering data on the ground for the actual name of that weapon. They believe that there's a more specific term for that blade that's endemic to the Waray-speaking areas.

This has been the case for Cebuano 'pinuti,' which FTB researched to have different variants with specific blade profiles and other defining features - lawi-lawi, tinamban, lawihan, etc which can be traced back to antique samples as well.

h0ll0wman · 19th May 2021, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by xasterix

Hope you don't mind me correcting... "talibong" term actually isn't endemic in Leyte/Samar. The Waray call their battle blades as "sundang" and their utility ones as "bolo." While there's been info in this forum that the rattan-wrapped, thumb-indented, heavy-bellied bolo used to be called "garab," the Filipino Traditional Blades research group is still gathering data on the ground for the actual name of that weapon. They believe that there's a more specific term for that blade that's endemic to the Waray-speaking areas.

This has been the case for Cebuano 'pinuti,' which FTB researched to have different variants with specific blade profiles and other defining features - lawi-lawi, tinamban, lawihan, etc which can be traced back to antique samples as well.

Thank you. This is good information.

JeffS · 19th May 2021, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by xasterix

This has been the case for Cebuano 'pinuti,' which FTB researched to have different variants with specific blade profiles and other defining features - lawi-lawi, tinamban, lawihan, etc which can be traced back to antique samples as well.

Cool. Is there a way to view this research?

xasterix · 19th May 2021, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by JeffS

Cool. Is there a way to view this research?

Yes, it's in the entries of the Filipino Traditional Blades page on Facebook... you'll just have to use the search bar there or browse the past entries, they've discussed and shown samples of pinuti variants extensively.

jokrho · 23rd May 2021, 02:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xasterix

Hope you don't mind me correcting... "talibong" term actually isn't endemic in Leyte/Samar. The Waray call their battle blades as "sundang" and their utility ones as "bolo." While there's been info in this forum that the rattan-wrapped, thumb-indented, heavy-bellied bolo used to be called "garab," the Filipino Traditional Blades research group is still gathering data on the ground for the actual name of that weapon. They believe that there's a more specific term for that blade that's endemic to the Waray-speaking areas.

This has been the case for Cebuano 'pinuti,' which FTB researched to have different variants with specific blade profiles and other defining features - lawi-lawi, tinamban, lawihan, etc which can be traced back to antique samples as well.

Seconding this. Sundang is to Waray as Pinuti is to Cebuano.

Ian · 23rd May 2021, 08:00 PM

Jokhro and Xas,

Thanks for clarifying some of these terms again. Trying to peel away the layers of terminology, not to mention mistakes that have been propagated for decades, is impossible from outside the host culture. That's why groups such as FTB, who conduct their research at ground level and post their information freely, are so valuable to collectors here.

Sharing information in this way, some of which has been held closely within the original communities, is the essence of scholarship and learning. It also helps sustain interest in traditional Filipino weapons and their production by local panday.

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16th May 2021, 08:10 PM	#2
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,272	I agree and it is uncommon to see this type of floral blade engravings (though some even have brass inlay).

18th May 2021, 02:23 AM	#3
h0ll0wman Member Join Date: Jan 2021 Posts: 78	Thank you for the insights! Perhaps this is an old Pinuti from Cebu rather than a talibong from Samar?

19th May 2021, 04:01 AM	#4
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,272	Oh I think tailbong came from Cebu too.

23rd May 2021, 08:00 PM	#11
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,362	Jokhro and Xas, Thanks for clarifying some of these terms again. Trying to peel away the layers of terminology, not to mention mistakes that have been propagated for decades, is impossible from outside the host culture. That's why groups such as FTB, who conduct their research at ground level and post their information freely, are so valuable to collectors here. Sharing information in this way, some of which has been held closely within the original communities, is the essence of scholarship and learning. It also helps sustain interest in traditional Filipino weapons and their production by local panday.