kindjal with hardstone hilt

francantolin · 21st April 2021, 07:21 PM

Hello,

I was ''answering'' your post

a medium sized -large dagger : 54cm /21,2 inches just the kindjal,
58cm/ 22,8 inches with scabbard

JoeCanada42 · 21st April 2021, 07:27 PM

Cool,, I hope you get some good info on yours, I don't know much.

mariusgmioc · 21st April 2021, 07:32 PM

The rectangular stamp is Russian silver proof mark.

The shape of the blade and decoration of the scabbard look Dagestani, which was part of of Russia pretty much of 19th century.

https://www.925-1000.com/Frussia.html

francantolin · 22nd April 2021, 04:36 AM

Thanks a lot Marius for the link with the hallmarks and cities ,
really thank you !!

just two pictures:

one of the hilt, it shows how the stone parts are inserted

another of a russian kindjal found on the net, It seems that this mark on the scabbard is the same on the basis of my blade ( russian eagle)
difficult, everything is almost erased...

Interested Party · 22nd April 2021, 05:14 PM

The mark in post #2 has elements that seem to be a Tblilisi mark between 1883-1899, but a little different than I've have seen referenced. The 84 and the the cross are one element rather than two separate stamps. The left arm is indistinct under the "84". Does anyone know; how much variation was there among city stamps of the period?

Francantolin, I know its unlikely, but could it be a single headed eagle on your blade?

The green handle: Any word on the type of stone? Wasn't green a color favored by the Azerbaijani? I noticed on post #1 fourth picture down there are scratches (almost seem to be file marks) on the scale beside of the rivets. I've seen this several times. Are these made during manufacture and not polished out or from later repairs? I know the Caucasian culture as a whole places great emphasis on the outward facing aspects of a blade and fittings with less care given to the inward facing aspect.

Thanks for showing this interesting piece!

Ian · 22nd April 2021, 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Interested Party

... Francantolin, I know its unlikely, but could it be a single headed eagle on your blade? ...

IP, I think it is two heads in the picture posted--each head appears to have a crown above it.

22nd April 2021, 04:36 AM	#4
francantolin Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 905	Thanks a lot Marius for the link with the hallmarks and cities , really thank you !! just two pictures: one of the hilt, it shows how the stone parts are inserted another of a russian kindjal found on the net, It seems that this mark on the scabbard is the same on the basis of my blade ( russian eagle) difficult, everything is almost erased... Attached Images

22nd April 2021, 05:14 PM	#5
Interested Party Member Join Date: Dec 2019 Location: Eastern Sierra Posts: 495	Checking for understanding. The mark in post #2 has elements that seem to be a Tblilisi mark between 1883-1899, but a little different than I've have seen referenced. The 84 and the the cross are one element rather than two separate stamps. The left arm is indistinct under the "84". Does anyone know; how much variation was there among city stamps of the period? Francantolin, I know its unlikely, but could it be a single headed eagle on your blade? The green handle: Any word on the type of stone? Wasn't green a color favored by the Azerbaijani? I noticed on post #1 fourth picture down there are scratches (almost seem to be file marks) on the scale beside of the rivets. I've seen this several times. Are these made during manufacture and not polished out or from later repairs? I know the Caucasian culture as a whole places great emphasis on the outward facing aspects of a blade and fittings with less care given to the inward facing aspect. Thanks for showing this interesting piece!

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21st April 2021, 07:21 PM	#1
francantolin Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 905	Hello, I was ''answering'' your post a medium sized -large dagger : 54cm /21,2 inches just the kindjal, 58cm/ 22,8 inches with scabbard

21st April 2021, 07:27 PM	#2
JoeCanada42 Member Join Date: Jan 2021 Location: Canada Posts: 259	Cool,, I hope you get some good info on yours, I don't know much.

21st April 2021, 07:32 PM	#3
mariusgmioc Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Austria Posts: 1,906	The rectangular stamp is Russian silver proof mark. The shape of the blade and decoration of the scabbard look Dagestani, which was part of of Russia pretty much of 19th century. https://www.925-1000.com/Frussia.html