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[Rafngard]

Originally Posted by gp

What ‘bout Michael Moorcock’s “Eternal Champion” cyclus with his Stormbringer and Black sword ...Elric of Melniboné, Hawkmoon, von Bek

This is perhaps both on and off topic, but I was recently struck by how Stormbringer and Mournblade bare some resemblance to Keris and/or other Tosan aji, and wondered if Moorcock might have been inspired by such.

Consider the following characteristics of two swords:

1) Black blades
Warangan stained?

2) Bareing meaningful patterns
"Runes" per Moorcock, but why not Pamor?

3) Having an intelligence/soul
Khodam/isi anyone?

4) Soul drinking
I believe it is a traditional Malay belief (mentioned in Spirit of Wood) that keris drink the semangat of anyone they injure.

Something fun to think about.

Have fun,
Leif

[gp]

Originally Posted by Rafngard

This is perhaps both on and off topic, but I was recently struck by how Stormbringer and Mournblade bare some resemblance to Keris and/or other Tosan aji, and wondered if Moorcock might have been inspired by such.

Consider the following characteristics of two swords:

1) Black blades
Warangan stained?

2) Bareing meaningful patterns
"Runes" per Moorcock, but why not Pamor?

3) Having an intelligence/soul
Khodam/isi anyone?

4) Soul drinking
I believe it is a traditional Malay belief (mentioned in Spirit of Wood) that keris drink the semangat of anyone they injure.

Something fun to think about.

Have fun,
Leif

indeed there has been some inspiration in the late 60ies and 70ies by and from travellers to Africa, Arabia and Asia and their stories and cultures to the likes of Moorcock and Hawkwind / Hawklords (which my friends from Hawkwind / Hawklords confirmed)

Hence the popularity of The Marakesh Express and stories about the Barbary privateers, One Thousand and One Nights next to Hindu tales / Hindu mythological wars and obviously the cold weapons involved.

Although David was perhaps correct with regards to the off topic part, perhaps with a little patience I could have explained the Eternal Champion Cyclus in more detail having their roots in ancient cultures and henceforth the cold weapons from those books could be confirmed by real good scolars to have been derived or partial copies from those Middle Eastern and Asian weapons.

Like the 2 added pics of a weapon ( a cabang ) I first got trained 45 years ago clearly has influenced the Stormbringer blade design...

[kronckew]

The sai is found all over in martial arts for defence against swords and is used as more of an impact weapon offensively, tho it is sometimes portrayed in films as being sharp. It is similar to the Japanese Jitte, also used as a Police Badge for officials in the time of the samurai.

Mine:

[Rafngard]

Originally Posted by gp

Like the 2 added pics of a weapon ( a cabang ) I first got trained 45 years ago clearly has influenced the Stormbringer blade design...

"Cabang" is the term used in pencak silat, right?

I'm asking in part, because I've been participating in an online silat class presently with a Bruneian (and thus Malay) teacher who calls this fascinating weapon a "tekpi."

Have fun,
Leif

[gp]

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[Ian]

Guys,

We have strayed far and wide from the original topic of this thread: the holes in kudi/kujang. Some digression into the fantasy sword arena has been tolerated, but modern fantasy weapons are not the focus of this forum. It appears that discussion of the original topic has been exhausted for now, so let's allow this thread to rest for a while.

Salamat.

Ian

[Ian]

Enough. Thread closed.