Coat of Arms of Coucy - messengers badge?

AHorsa · 20th September 2020, 07:57 PM

No ideas?
The shape of the shield indicates 13th century. At this time the Coucies have been one of the most powerful families in france. I wonder if this blazon could really be from that period.

fernando · 20th September 2020, 08:11 PM

Andreas, perhaps best to move this to the Miscellania forum

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Great find, by the way

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AHorsa · 21st September 2020, 10:37 AM

Thank you Fernando!

fernando · 21st September 2020, 12:25 PM

This appears to be a very old object.
I hope someone can throw some light into this interesting item's history.
Angles to take into account:
It is quite a long way from Coucy to the river Seine; wonder how it got there ... and gor how long it stood in the bottom of the river.
We may assume that, the paper tag on its back must have been placed right after it was found ... by someone fishing ?

Oliver Pinchot · 21st September 2020, 09:06 PM

A DISTANT MIRROR, by Barbara Tuchman, 1978, concerns the de Coucy family.
It's quite detailed; perhaps it can offer some insight.

AHorsa · 22nd September 2020, 09:53 AM

Thanks for your replies and the book tip!

As the Seine also crosses Paris, I think it is possible that it was found somewhere in this area as Paris was already the capital in medieval ages, although the linear distance is ~100 km. It also seems that the plaque was removed from where ever it was attached forcefully...

I found an interesting similar piece on the internet:

https://www.pinterest.de/pin/365213851005646944/

http://www.la-detection.com/dp/message-2902.htm

Best regards
Andreas

Rick · 22nd September 2020, 03:28 PM

Makes sense.

http://www.la-detection.com/dp/message-2902.htm

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20th September 2020, 07:57 PM	#1
AHorsa Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Rhineland Posts: 375	No ideas? The shape of the shield indicates 13th century. At this time the Coucies have been one of the most powerful families in france. I wonder if this blazon could really be from that period.

20th September 2020, 08:11 PM	#2
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Andreas, perhaps best to move this to the Miscellania forum . Great find, by the way .

21st September 2020, 10:37 AM	#3
AHorsa Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Rhineland Posts: 375	Thank you Fernando!

21st September 2020, 12:25 PM	#4
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	This appears to be a very old object. I hope someone can throw some light into this interesting item's history. Angles to take into account: It is quite a long way from Coucy to the river Seine; wonder how it got there ... and gor how long it stood in the bottom of the river. We may assume that, the paper tag on its back must have been placed right after it was found ... by someone fishing ?

21st September 2020, 09:06 PM	#5
Oliver Pinchot Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 464	A DISTANT MIRROR, by Barbara Tuchman, 1978, concerns the de Coucy family. It's quite detailed; perhaps it can offer some insight.

22nd September 2020, 09:53 AM	#6
AHorsa Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Rhineland Posts: 375	Thanks for your replies and the book tip! As the Seine also crosses Paris, I think it is possible that it was found somewhere in this area as Paris was already the capital in medieval ages, although the linear distance is ~100 km. It also seems that the plaque was removed from where ever it was attached forcefully... I found an interesting similar piece on the internet: https://www.pinterest.de/pin/365213851005646944/ http://www.la-detection.com/dp/message-2902.htm Best regards Andreas