Koummya (information/opinions)

mariusgmioc · 14th August 2020, 04:33 PM

Hello Detlef,

Why I do believe even more so it is silver?!

OXIDATION!

Please notice that the depressions/crevices in the engraved metal are oxidized black, which is quite typical for silver. Nickel-silver does not oxidize like that (see your example).

PS: Silver is very easy to identify without any effort other than patience. If in a few months it will start developing darker oxidation, then almost certainly is silver. There are also liquid reactives for identifying silver and any jeweler will be able to identify it immediately.

PPS: From the photos, it appears the hanging loops are not the original but replacement ones (different metal and crude fitting).

Sajen · 15th August 2020, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by mariusgmioc

Hello Detlef,

Why I do believe even more so it is silver?!

OXIDATION!

Please notice that the depressions/crevices in the engraved metal are oxidized black, which is quite typical for silver. Nickel-silver does not oxidize like that (see your example).

Hello Marius,

And why I am so sure that it isn't silver??

Look to a picture from my example taken without flash!

I guess it's nonnatural oxidation, I've seen this by many other white metal scabbards/mounts.

Regards,
Detlef

Sajen · 15th August 2020, 11:21 AM

PS: Another sign of very recent manufacture is in my eyes the blade, compare the here shown examples.

Here two pictures, one picture taken with and one without flash, from two antique blades and the recent one with orange cord, I think I don't need to tell where the recent one is placed!

mariusgmioc · 15th August 2020, 01:09 PM

Hi Detlef,

You seem to be right... but I don't give up until it will be definitely confirmed.

I don't know how it is for you but I find this kind of disagreements very, very interesting and educative!

Sajen · 15th August 2020, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by mariusgmioc

You seem to be right... but I don't give up until it will be definitely confirmed.

I think that we agree that the piece in question is rather recent. I personal think that the rather crude workmanship points to German silver. But like you I would like to know what material it is.

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Originally Posted by mariusgmioc

I don't know how it is for you but I find this kind disagreements very, very interesting and educative!

Complete agreement Marius!

Like you say, educative!

14th August 2020, 04:33 PM	#1
mariusgmioc Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Austria Posts: 1,906	Hello Detlef, Why I do believe even more so it is silver?! OXIDATION! Please notice that the depressions/crevices in the engraved metal are oxidized black, which is quite typical for silver. Nickel-silver does not oxidize like that (see your example). PS: Silver is very easy to identify without any effort other than patience. If in a few months it will start developing darker oxidation, then almost certainly is silver. There are also liquid reactives for identifying silver and any jeweler will be able to identify it immediately. PPS: From the photos, it appears the hanging loops are not the original but replacement ones (different metal and crude fitting). Last edited by mariusgmioc; 14th August 2020 at 05:21 PM.

15th August 2020, 11:21 AM	#3
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,165	PS: Another sign of very recent manufacture is in my eyes the blade, compare the here shown examples. Here two pictures, one picture taken with and one without flash, from two antique blades and the recent one with orange cord, I think I don't need to tell where the recent one is placed! Attached Images

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15th August 2020, 01:09 PM	#4
mariusgmioc Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Austria Posts: 1,906	Hi Detlef, You seem to be right... but I don't give up until it will be definitely confirmed. I don't know how it is for you but I find this kind of disagreements very, very interesting and educative!