Announcing "History of Steel in East Asia"

Mark · 14th May 2006, 07:01 PM

Bravo, Antonio! It is so exciting to see it all there, and the public examining the exhibits so intently.

Ian · 14th May 2006, 09:23 PM

We all thank you, Antonio, for the immense amount of work you put into this exhibition -- from conception to opening.

Well done.

Ian.

Antonio Cejunior · 15th May 2006, 12:04 AM

Hello Mark and Ian,

Your worst are most kind but undeserving. I had the idea, but you guys, and I would like to publicly thank you all:

Mark, Andrew, Ian, Federico Malibago, Jose Albovias Jr., Rick, Barry Parks, Jonathan Vergara, Ron Zambarrano and William Swanson for your generous contributions without which this exhibition would have not been possible.

It may seem like a cliché, but it isn't. I believe in one thing, and that is fairness and gratefulness. You have all given a lesson to the world about generosity.

When I was setting up the exhibition, I once more saw all those beauties and thought to myself: they did trust me. That brought an immense respect on all of you. So I thank you all for the trust.

When the catalogue is ready you will know, as with about over 280 photographs it is going to be a dictionary of 400 pages. And that huge book will show the acknowledgements on one of the first pages.
Gratefulness is mainly remembering what good things have been done unto us.
Therefore, like the Chinese clap hands back, because their culture tells them not to accept applauses, I wish to applaud you all for your civic attitude, for your spirit of detachment, and for the fact that each of you gentlemen, gave a great contribution for this exhibition to take place.

So, Bravo everyone!

Oh, I will also put up a special forum directly linked to the website's menu when it is ready so we all can discuss, comment, etc.

Bless you all.

Andrew · 15th May 2006, 03:49 AM

I am so proud to be a part of this important exhibition, Antonio. Thank you for your vision and perserverence.

Antonio Cejunior · 15th May 2006, 11:16 AM

Hello Andrew,

The pleasure and honor is all mine Andrew.

Thank you for the trust and about perseverence... well, my wife would tell you that whenever I get into something, I'll be nagging and nagging until I achieve
it

.

Seriously, all I did was to convince the knowledgeble ones to participate and that was not difficult. You and everyone else has bestowed in me your trust for which I am really honored.

Very best,

Antonio

ariel · 1st June 2006, 10:56 PM

Any idea when the catalogue will become available for purchase?
I REALLY!!! want it!

Antonio Cejunior · 2nd June 2006, 12:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ariel

Any idea when the catalogue will become available for purchase?
I REALLY!!! want it!

I cannot tell you right now.
There are almost 300 pictures whose background must be treated one by one in order to present a great photograph.
All the texts are translated and ready. Then it is importing the text and photos and organizing it all.
I hope that the more interest is shown directly to the museum, the more it will help to understand that this exhibition's catalogue is strongly sought after internationally.
It all has to do with the number of people deployed to retouch the photographs which is not an easy task...

ariel · 2nd June 2006, 11:31 PM

Antonio,
I can only imagine the amount of work!
People told you many times already how much they admired your perseverance and enthusiasm; always, you managed to sound gracious and self-deprecating and to deflect the compliments to others. No doubt, their contribution was of immense value and should be appreciated.
But nobody deserves higher praise than you.
So, for once, keep quiet, do not respond, pour youself a glass of something good and drink it.
This is my toast to you!

wolviex · 28th August 2006, 06:45 PM

And I remember how someone of you here in Forum repremended me about writing on the weapon. It's not beautiful (however you can always wash it out in need) but thank's to inventory numbers on the piece you never get wrong with anything.

PS. Of course I don't want to sound sapiently - no way - it's just practical thought

.

Spunjer · 29th August 2006, 12:36 AM

since i'm not getting any response on my email, i would like to know who recieved my visayan sundang and tenegre. as for the damaged scabbard, will fedex pay for it then?

Andrew · 29th August 2006, 12:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spunjer

since i'm not getting any response on my email, i would like to know who recieved my visayan sundang and tenegre. as for the damaged scabbard, will fedex pay for it then?

Ron, it may be me. I've been preparing for trial and, now, for another hurricane. I'll open my boxes up tonight and let you know if I've got your stuff.

Ian · 29th August 2006, 04:33 AM

Ron:

Could be me too. I still have not opened mine -- too much work stuff and family business.

Ian.

Antonio Cejunior · 29th August 2006, 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spunjer

since i'm not getting any response on my email, i would like to know who recieved my visayan sundang and tenegre. as for the damaged scabbard, will fedex pay for it then?

Hi Ron,
Just arrived back in Macau 2 hours ago and allow me clarify one thing

I received your email just about the time I was leaving, so had no time to reply.
So later I made a general post above, apologizing.

Second, one of the most important practices is to immediately show a picture or a set of pictures of the damage caused.

I made sure I left after a period long enough for everyone to receive the pieces.

Pardon me, but we have at least two lawyers here and you all know that you cannot place a claim in a forum or by email by just stating it. You have to prove it, show the damage, the before and the after.
Then insurance prescribes. It does not last forever.

I am very sorry for what happened to you, and am thankful that Mark spoke from his first hand experience. Like what Mark describes, I am absolutely sure that the staff had everything under full control and the boxes and the references and all that.
No Museum staff wants to get problems, and here we do want to take pride in what we do

My suggestion is that Mark and Andrew as lawyers, will possibly confirm that without photographic evidence, formal information, there will be no FedEx or Insurance that will accept any claim, specially when the insurance prescribed.

You see, we do our very best, but the moment you receive the boxes and don't verify the contents, then technically it is impossible to place a claim, and the longer the time, the more impossible.

Far from trying to wash my/our hands I am trying to explain in here so everyone understands. I am most grateful and just because the exhibition has ended does not mean I wash my hands. Not the kind of thing I do.

What I want to say is please post detailed pictures of the damage and the only thing I can offer you, is an attempt of reconstruction from our restoration department after talking to the Museum Director.

Best,

Mark · 29th August 2006, 04:54 PM

Posting photos and such here isn't really going to do the job.

I think the best way to handle damage is, as Antonio has suggested, taking detailed photos of the damage. You have the "before" photos available, of course, in the form of the Museum catalogue photos.

Then, you should write a letter to the Museum explaining and describing the damage, and including the photographs, so that the Museum (which bought the insurance) can file a claim. They will also need an estimation of the damage value. Since the item was not completely destroyed or lost, this would be the loss of market value due to the damage. Often insurance companies require additional evidence or explanation, but those basics should get the ball rolling.

While this forum is a convenient place in which to communicate quickly, it really isn't the place to resolve this issue, so I urge everyone to shift to direct communication for these "business" matters.

14th May 2006, 09:23 PM	#2
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,367	Excellent ... We all thank you, Antonio, for the immense amount of work you put into this exhibition -- from conception to opening. Well done. Ian.

15th May 2006, 12:04 AM	#3
Antonio Cejunior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Macau Posts: 294	Too kind of you Hello Mark and Ian, Your worst are most kind but undeserving. I had the idea, but you guys, and I would like to publicly thank you all: Mark, Andrew, Ian, Federico Malibago, Jose Albovias Jr., Rick, Barry Parks, Jonathan Vergara, Ron Zambarrano and William Swanson for your generous contributions without which this exhibition would have not been possible. It may seem like a cliché, but it isn't. I believe in one thing, and that is fairness and gratefulness. You have all given a lesson to the world about generosity. When I was setting up the exhibition, I once more saw all those beauties and thought to myself: they did trust me. That brought an immense respect on all of you. So I thank you all for the trust. When the catalogue is ready you will know, as with about over 280 photographs it is going to be a dictionary of 400 pages. And that huge book will show the acknowledgements on one of the first pages. Gratefulness is mainly remembering what good things have been done unto us. Therefore, like the Chinese clap hands back, because their culture tells them not to accept applauses, I wish to applaud you all for your civic attitude, for your spirit of detachment, and for the fact that each of you gentlemen, gave a great contribution for this exhibition to take place. So, Bravo everyone! Oh, I will also put up a special forum directly linked to the website's menu when it is ready so we all can discuss, comment, etc. Bless you all.

28th August 2006, 06:45 PM	#9
wolviex Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Poland, Krakow Posts: 418	And I remember how someone of you here in Forum repremended me about writing on the weapon. It's not beautiful (however you can always wash it out in need) but thank's to inventory numbers on the piece you never get wrong with anything. PS. Of course I don't want to sound sapiently - no way - it's just practical thought . Last edited by wolviex; 28th August 2006 at 09:07 PM.

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14th May 2006, 07:01 PM	#1
Mark Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 987	Bravo, Antonio! It is so exciting to see it all there, and the public examining the exhibits so intently.

15th May 2006, 03:49 AM	#4
Andrew Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: USA Posts: 1,725	I am so proud to be a part of this important exhibition, Antonio. Thank you for your vision and perserverence.

15th May 2006, 11:16 AM	#5
Antonio Cejunior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Macau Posts: 294	Hello Andrew, The pleasure and honor is all mine Andrew. Thank you for the trust and about perseverence... well, my wife would tell you that whenever I get into something, I'll be nagging and nagging until I achieve it . Seriously, all I did was to convince the knowledgeble ones to participate and that was not difficult. You and everyone else has bestowed in me your trust for which I am really honored. Very best, Antonio

1st June 2006, 10:56 PM	#6
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Any idea when the catalogue will become available for purchase? I REALLY!!! want it!

2nd June 2006, 11:31 PM	#8
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Antonio, I can only imagine the amount of work! People told you many times already how much they admired your perseverance and enthusiasm; always, you managed to sound gracious and self-deprecating and to deflect the compliments to others. No doubt, their contribution was of immense value and should be appreciated. But nobody deserves higher praise than you. So, for once, keep quiet, do not respond, pour youself a glass of something good and drink it. This is my toast to you!

29th August 2006, 12:36 AM	#10
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	since i'm not getting any response on my email, i would like to know who recieved my visayan sundang and tenegre. as for the damaged scabbard, will fedex pay for it then?

29th August 2006, 04:33 AM	#12
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,367	Ron: Could be me too. I still have not opened mine -- too much work stuff and family business. Ian.

29th August 2006, 04:54 PM	#14
Mark Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 987	Posting photos and such here isn't really going to do the job. I think the best way to handle damage is, as Antonio has suggested, taking detailed photos of the damage. You have the "before" photos available, of course, in the form of the Museum catalogue photos. Then, you should write a letter to the Museum explaining and describing the damage, and including the photographs, so that the Museum (which bought the insurance) can file a claim. They will also need an estimation of the damage value. Since the item was not completely destroyed or lost, this would be the loss of market value due to the damage. Often insurance companies require additional evidence or explanation, but those basics should get the ball rolling. While this forum is a convenient place in which to communicate quickly, it really isn't the place to resolve this issue, so I urge everyone to shift to direct communication for these "business" matters.