19th century bone knife

gp · 22nd May 2020, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Kubur

I suggest to read carefully this thread

http://vikingsword.com/vb/showthread...t=bosnian+pala

Thnx a lot and the link of Kurt does not only shows a wonderful sword but actually a treasure and museum piece as its owner Gazi Husrev Beg is / was one of the most important men in the history of Sarajevo and Ottoman Bosnia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gazi_Husrev-beg

Fyi: beg is the Yu / Bosnian / Croation / Serbian / Macedonian / Montenegrin version of bey or pasha
Once I read the translation I realized the sword to be a piece of cultural heritage indeed and henceforth priceless

Kubur · 22nd May 2020, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by gp

Fyi: beg is the Yu / Bosnian / Croation / Serbian / Macedonian / Montenegrin version of bey or pasha

Sorry my friend but you are wrong. Beg is Turk too. Beg and Bey are the same. Please look at Atabeg.

Oliver Pinchot · 22nd May 2020, 03:54 PM

In modern Turkish, the hard G found in the word beg has transmuted to a yumushak ge, which sounds pretty much like a Y, or in some cases a glottal stop; it depends on the word. Hence, bey. In parts of Anatolia, however, I've still heard it pronounced beg.

There is a distinction between the terms beg and pasa. Both are ranks. However, bey was (and is) also added to the end of a given name for virtually any adult male, more or less approximating the English Mr., French, monsieur, etc.

gp · 22nd May 2020, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Kubur

Sorry my friend but you are wrong. Beg is Turk too. Beg and Bey are the same. Please look at Atabeg.

No problem at all as I look forward and appreciate any feedback and free lessons. Thank you for your correction.
I was referring to what I learned in the former Yu and what was used there ( i.e. Southern Dalmatia, BiH and Boka Kotorska Montenegro)

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Oliver Pinchot Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 464	In modern Turkish, the hard G found in the word beg has transmuted to a yumushak ge, which sounds pretty much like a Y, or in some cases a glottal stop; it depends on the word. Hence, bey. In parts of Anatolia, however, I've still heard it pronounced beg. There is a distinction between the terms beg and pasa. Both are ranks. However, bey was (and is) also added to the end of a given name for virtually any adult male, more or less approximating the English Mr., French, monsieur, etc.