Seeking Information on Keris

David · 12th February 2020, 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jean

If you apply a ruler on the pic of the blade (on the back side especially), it appears difficult if not impossible that the blade was originally straight or even slightly curved (dapur sepokal), so personally I would think that it was originally wavy but heavily grinded on the sides indeed.
Regards

Jean, i attempted to adjust one of the photos for a clearer view. To me it would appear that this blade was definitely reshaped into a wavy form in a rather awkward manner by grinding back the gusen at various intervals. The center plateau of this blade appears to remain straight to my eye.

Jean · 12th February 2020, 04:59 PM

Before agreeing or not, I would like to see a pic of the blade taken at a vertical angle (just above the blade) and without the hilt so that it lies flat on the floor.
Anyway, I don't share Marco's opinion about this blade

Regards

elsquibble · 13th February 2020, 09:06 AM

I will get another photo for you later Jean.I do believe that the center does look straight though but I'll have a look again when I get home.

elsquibble · 15th February 2020, 01:12 PM

I've got another couple of photos looking down from above, apologies for the delay I've been very busy. I do think it's straight the whole way down though which is unfortunate.

Does anyone have the faintest idea of why this might have been done? Could it be a repair of a blade with a chip or something? More likely someone thinking they can make it more valuable if it's wavey.

David · 16th February 2020, 06:55 PM

For some reason there are many people who seem to believe that a keris is specifically a wavy blade weapon and perhaps they did believe that converting this to a blade with luks would make it more sellable or valuable. I am afraid that they were wrong and unfortunately ruined what was worn, but serviceable old blade.

elsquibble · 16th February 2020, 08:59 PM

It is a shame however at least it still looks good in the scabbard. I am glad I bought it as it has introduced me to the world of the keris, I can certainly see myself buying a few more. One more question, would what is described as a yogyakarta style hilt suit this? Thanks.

Jean · 17th February 2020, 08:06 AM

Thank you for the pictures and I agree that this blade was probably a straight blade but sepokal type (slightly curved).
As the scabbard is in Bugis Sumatra style, a Bugis style hilt (pistol grip) would be the best choice (see pic).
Regards

David · 17th February 2020, 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elsquibble

One more question, would what is described as a yogyakarta style hilt suit this? Thanks.

Yogyakarta is a Javanese kingdom so no, such a jilt would not be suitable for this keris.
The one that Jean has shown would be a much more acceptable form, however, for a keris like this that has been irreparably damaged i would not personally invest is an ivory hilt like the one Jean shows. Look for this form in a wooden variety.

15th February 2020, 01:12 PM	#4
elsquibble Member Join Date: Feb 2020 Posts: 10	I've got another couple of photos looking down from above, apologies for the delay I've been very busy. I do think it's straight the whole way down though which is unfortunate. Does anyone have the faintest idea of why this might have been done? Could it be a repair of a blade with a chip or something? More likely someone thinking they can make it more valuable if it's wavey. Attached Images

17th February 2020, 08:06 AM	#7
Jean Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,740	Thank you for the pictures and I agree that this blade was probably a straight blade but sepokal type (slightly curved). As the scabbard is in Bugis Sumatra style, a Bugis style hilt (pistol grip) would be the best choice (see pic). Regards Attached Images

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12th February 2020, 04:59 PM	#2
Jean Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,740	Before agreeing or not, I would like to see a pic of the blade taken at a vertical angle (just above the blade) and without the hilt so that it lies flat on the floor. Anyway, I don't share Marco's opinion about this blade Regards

13th February 2020, 09:06 AM	#3
elsquibble Member Join Date: Feb 2020 Posts: 10	I will get another photo for you later Jean.I do believe that the center does look straight though but I'll have a look again when I get home.

16th February 2020, 06:55 PM	#5
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,213	For some reason there are many people who seem to believe that a keris is specifically a wavy blade weapon and perhaps they did believe that converting this to a blade with luks would make it more sellable or valuable. I am afraid that they were wrong and unfortunately ruined what was worn, but serviceable old blade.

16th February 2020, 08:59 PM	#6
elsquibble Member Join Date: Feb 2020 Posts: 10	It is a shame however at least it still looks good in the scabbard. I am glad I bought it as it has introduced me to the world of the keris, I can certainly see myself buying a few more. One more question, would what is described as a yogyakarta style hilt suit this? Thanks.