Dusun or old style Kampilan?

pinoy · 5th May 2006, 02:17 PM

Has the end of the hilt been broken? Can you provide a picture of the end? This kampilan looks to me more of Filipino origin. Probably the hang on was just later add on. I could be wrong though. The hair/threads on the "hang on" just don't look that old to me.

VVV · 5th May 2006, 03:02 PM

Pinoy,

Here is the picture you asked for.
How do you differentiate between Filipino and Borneo origin?

Michael

VANDOO · 5th May 2006, 05:47 PM

A MOST INTERESTING KAMPILIAN! IT APPEARS TO ME THAT IT MAY HAVE BEEN DAMMAGED A LITTLE BUT THAT THERE IS NOT A LARGE PIECE OF THE HANDLE MISSING. I GET THAT FEELING FROM THE OVERALL SHAPE OF THE POMMEL AND THE COMPLETE CARVING ON THE SIDES IN THE CENTER. WERE THERE HOLES IN THE TOP OF THE HANDLE FOR PLACEING HAIR TUFTS AND ARE BOTH SIDES CARVED WITH THE SAME DESIGN.?

THE DECORATION IS NOT TYPICAL OF PHILIPPINE OR DAYAK TRIBES SO FAR AS I CAN TELL. IT LOOKS MORE LIKE SOMETHING FOUND IN THE ISLANDS OFF MALAYSIA OR INDONESIA. WHAT IS IT CONSTRUCTED OF, TWO LEATHER OR WOODEN DISKS WITH THE FIBER AND HAIR ATTACHED IN BETWEEN? WHAT KIND OF HAIR WAS USED? IF HUMAN IT COULD BE A TROPHY ,IF ANIMAL IT IS MOST LIKELY DECORATIVE. THE KAMPILIAN WAS SURELY MORE WIDESPREAD THAN JUST THE PHILIPPINES OR BORNEO ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING THE SEAFARING BOTH COUNTRYS DID. I WILL TRY AND LOOK THRU MY BOOKS WHEN I GET THE CHANCE AS I REMEMBER SEEING SIMULAR THINGS IN OLD CATALOGS OVER THE YEARS. NICE ONE WISH IT WAS MINE, BUT THEN I LIKE ALL THINGS KAMPILIAN

VVV · 5th May 2006, 06:53 PM

Thanks Vandoo,

I have also seen Kampilans collected mostly in Sulawesi and one in Sumatra.
And I also suspect that the Timor Klewang pict 272 in van Z is a Kampilan. It resembles a bit the one in Cato page 53.
All of the Sulawesi Kampilan had a more square hilt like mine.
But so has most of the Kampilans found in Borneo also.
The hang on has two wooden discs and I think the hair is from a horse.
It's the same kind of hair as those tufts that are still left on the hilt.
The design is the same at both sides and there is no signs of any break as far as I can see.
Also the square hilt, like mine, is quite common in European museum collections.

Below I have attached a resembling Kampilan from Museo Militar in Madrid.
That one is probably a war trophy from the "ex-Spanish colonial" 19th C Philippines?

Michael

5th May 2006, 03:02 PM	#2
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Pinoy, Here is the picture you asked for. How do you differentiate between Filipino and Borneo origin? Michael Attached Images

5th May 2006, 06:53 PM	#4
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Thanks Vandoo, I have also seen Kampilans collected mostly in Sulawesi and one in Sumatra. And I also suspect that the Timor Klewang pict 272 in van Z is a Kampilan. It resembles a bit the one in Cato page 53. All of the Sulawesi Kampilan had a more square hilt like mine. But so has most of the Kampilans found in Borneo also. The hang on has two wooden discs and I think the hair is from a horse. It's the same kind of hair as those tufts that are still left on the hilt. The design is the same at both sides and there is no signs of any break as far as I can see. Also the square hilt, like mine, is quite common in European museum collections. Below I have attached a resembling Kampilan from Museo Militar in Madrid. That one is probably a war trophy from the "ex-Spanish colonial" 19th C Philippines? Michael Attached Images Last edited by VVV; 5th May 2006 at 07:05 PM. Reason: Forgot to answer one question from Vandoo

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5th May 2006, 02:17 PM	#1
pinoy Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 14	Has the end of the hilt been broken? Can you provide a picture of the end? This kampilan looks to me more of Filipino origin. Probably the hang on was just later add on. I could be wrong though. The hair/threads on the "hang on" just don't look that old to me.

5th May 2006, 05:47 PM	#3
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	A MOST INTERESTING KAMPILIAN! IT APPEARS TO ME THAT IT MAY HAVE BEEN DAMMAGED A LITTLE BUT THAT THERE IS NOT A LARGE PIECE OF THE HANDLE MISSING. I GET THAT FEELING FROM THE OVERALL SHAPE OF THE POMMEL AND THE COMPLETE CARVING ON THE SIDES IN THE CENTER. WERE THERE HOLES IN THE TOP OF THE HANDLE FOR PLACEING HAIR TUFTS AND ARE BOTH SIDES CARVED WITH THE SAME DESIGN.? THE DECORATION IS NOT TYPICAL OF PHILIPPINE OR DAYAK TRIBES SO FAR AS I CAN TELL. IT LOOKS MORE LIKE SOMETHING FOUND IN THE ISLANDS OFF MALAYSIA OR INDONESIA. WHAT IS IT CONSTRUCTED OF, TWO LEATHER OR WOODEN DISKS WITH THE FIBER AND HAIR ATTACHED IN BETWEEN? WHAT KIND OF HAIR WAS USED? IF HUMAN IT COULD BE A TROPHY ,IF ANIMAL IT IS MOST LIKELY DECORATIVE. THE KAMPILIAN WAS SURELY MORE WIDESPREAD THAN JUST THE PHILIPPINES OR BORNEO ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING THE SEAFARING BOTH COUNTRYS DID. I WILL TRY AND LOOK THRU MY BOOKS WHEN I GET THE CHANCE AS I REMEMBER SEEING SIMULAR THINGS IN OLD CATALOGS OVER THE YEARS. NICE ONE WISH IT WAS MINE, BUT THEN I LIKE ALL THINGS KAMPILIAN