Bandolier for Identification

Lee · 15th October 2019, 05:30 PM

Received in my e-mail with a request for identification of origin and age

Mercenary · 15th October 2019, 06:07 PM

I know nothing about it but I see my favorite ornamentation! It was usual for Caucasus in 19th and much earlier for another regions of Asia. I like it.
And later in Russia. I am happy, thanks a lot!

corrado26 · 15th October 2019, 07:06 PM

Here a foto of a nice collection of these caps
corrado26

Kubur · 15th October 2019, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by corrado26

Here a foto of a nice collection of these caps
corrado26

Nice Caucasians!

Kubur · 15th October 2019, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Lee

Received in my e-mail with a request for identification of origin and age

For this one, I will let Ibrahiim answering to your question...
I'm very jealous!!

Ren Ren · 15th October 2019, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Mercenary

I know nothing about it but I see my favorite ornamentation! It was usual for Caucasus in 19th and much earlier for another regions of Asia. I like it.
And later in Russia. I am happy, thanks a lot!

This item is not from the Caucasus or from Russia.
But I also see in him the influence of Turkic and Slavic traditions. I would venture to suggest Bulgaria or Serbia.

TVV · 15th October 2019, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Ren Ren

This item is not from the Caucasus or from Russia.
But I also see in him the influence of Turkic and Slavic traditions. I would venture to suggest Bulgaria or Serbia.

I do not see anything Balkan in this item. I am with Kubur on this one - I think it is from Southern Arabia.

Teodor

kahnjar1 · 15th October 2019, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by TVV

I do not see anything Balkan in this item. I am with Kubur on this one - I think it is from Southern Arabia.

Teodor

Not Arabian IMHO
Stu

Kubur · 15th October 2019, 10:34 PM

Agreed Stu, not Arabian
But maybe Omani???

kahnjar1 · 16th October 2019, 03:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Kubur

Agreed Stu, not Arabian
But maybe Omani???

Not Omani IMHO. Here is a pic of an Omani bandolier. Note that the stoppers are leather/fibre rather than metal caps. My thinking is the Balkans somewhere.
Hopefully Rick will come in on this one..............
Stu

ariel · 16th October 2019, 04:22 AM

This is unquestionably Oriental, most likely Islamic.
Artzi has a somewhat similar one ( see pic) attributed to the Ottomans.
I would put this one farther East: Afghanistan or Central Asia.

Mercenary · 16th October 2019, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ariel

Afghanistan or Central Asia.

Highly likely. Similar ornamentation was also used there.

ariel · 16th October 2019, 02:15 PM

And pierced metal borders of the holder ( first pic). Afghanis loved this element of decoration and used it widely.

Kubur · 16th October 2019, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ariel

And pierced metal borders of the holder ( first pic). Afghanis loved this element of decoration and used it widely.

Ariel it's time to change your glasses, there is no pierced metal borders, it's the sewing...

And I disagree Afghan bandouliers are not like that, Rick and I posted some on the forum...

ariel · 16th October 2019, 11:33 PM

Look at the very first pic. Pierced metal.

kahnjar1 · 17th October 2019, 03:53 AM

I don't see pierced metal either. What I see is pierced leather with the stitching missing.
Stu

ariel · 17th October 2019, 07:33 AM

Looks like shiny metal border to me.
Maybe, I do need new glasses...
We can ask Lee to verify it with the owner.

Kubur: I cannot recall your earlier post about Afghani bandoliers.

Kubur · 17th October 2019, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by ariel

Looks like shiny metal border to me.
Maybe, I do need new glasses...
We can ask Lee to verify it with the owner.

Kubur: I cannot recall your earlier post about Afghani bandoliers.

here all the Afghan kamar

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ghan+cartridge

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ht=afghan+belt

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ht=afghan+belt

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ht=afghan+belt

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ht=afghan+belt

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ht=afghan+belt

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ht=afghan+belt

As you can see they have nothing to do with the one posted above... IMHO

fernando · 17th October 2019, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by kahnjar1

I don't see pierced metal either. What I see is pierced leather with the stitching missing.
Stu

No doubt

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Ren Ren · 17th October 2019, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Kubur

here all the Afghan kamar
As you can see they have nothing to do with the one posted above... IMHO

I completely agree. Thanks for these links, Kubur.

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 17th October 2019, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Kubur

For this one, I will let Ibrahiim answering to your question...
I'm very jealous!!

THESE APPEAR TO BE …… Omani . The design style confirms this in the silver caps>>> Omanisilver.com illustrate Othmanli links and there other similar structures from the east and bamboo containers seen carried in a bag perhaps attached to a belt or carried separately. The same designs are seen on Omani rings and bangles and a similar type of cap is used on Ladies Kohl containers. Often the metal container is multi sided like the Islamic Minarette … The cap itself is shaped like the Mosque Dome.

HERE ILLUSTRATED THOSE Multi sided containers from http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ANI+MATCHLOCKS

Dome topped kohl containers complete the trio...below

ariel · 18th October 2019, 01:38 AM

That's more likely.

15th October 2019, 05:30 PM	#1
Lee EAAF Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Upstate New York, USA Posts: 970	Bandolier for Identification Received in my e-mail with a request for identification of origin and age Attached Images

15th October 2019, 06:07 PM	#2
Mercenary Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 430	I know nothing about it but I see my favorite ornamentation! It was usual for Caucasus in 19th and much earlier for another regions of Asia. I like it. And later in Russia. I am happy, thanks a lot! Attached Images

15th October 2019, 07:06 PM	#3
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,240	Here a foto of a nice collection of these caps corrado26 Attached Images

16th October 2019, 04:22 AM	#11
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	This is unquestionably Oriental, most likely Islamic. Artzi has a somewhat similar one ( see pic) attributed to the Ottomans. I would put this one farther East: Afghanistan or Central Asia. Attached Images

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15th October 2019, 10:34 PM	#9
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	Agreed Stu, not Arabian But maybe Omani???

16th October 2019, 02:15 PM	#13
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	And pierced metal borders of the holder ( first pic). Afghanis loved this element of decoration and used it widely.

16th October 2019, 11:33 PM	#15
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Look at the very first pic. Pierced metal.

17th October 2019, 03:53 AM	#16
kahnjar1 Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: CHRISTCHURCH NEW ZEALAND Posts: 2,811	I don't see pierced metal either. What I see is pierced leather with the stitching missing. Stu

17th October 2019, 07:33 AM	#17
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Looks like shiny metal border to me. Maybe, I do need new glasses... We can ask Lee to verify it with the owner. Kubur: I cannot recall your earlier post about Afghani bandoliers.

18th October 2019, 01:38 AM	#22
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	That's more likely.