Rerajahan soul of the keris

Pusaka · 5th March 2019, 11:44 AM

David many people believe a keris pusaka can not be passed on to someone outside the family (without a handover ceremony conducted by a member of the family anyway). For that reason they are only interested in a keris made specifically for themselves. If I seen a nice keris for sale though I wouldn't worry that it was made for someone else. I would be happy to have it on my wall regardless.

David · 5th March 2019, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Pusaka

David many people believe a keris pusaka can not be passed on to someone outside the family (without a handover ceremony conducted by a member of the family anyway). For that reason they are only interested in a keris made specifically for themselves. If I seen a nice keris for sale though I wouldn't worry that it was made for someone else. I would be happy to have it on my wall regardless.

I don't believe i or anyone else here even suggested that one cannot or should not collect old keris pusaka. My comment was aimed at the habit of some collectors making a point of identifying keris in their collection as keris pusaka when that chain of lineage had been broken and the keris no longer serves as pusaka. I believe the same can be said of keris hidup. You can collect them, care for them, but the "mission" they were originally intended for is over and the idea that we can access or harness someone else's power or magickal intention for our own needs is probably a bad idea even if it were possible. So yes, your wall would make a wonderful "retirement home".

A. G. Maisey · 6th March 2019, 03:11 AM

This really has been a remarkable thread. I keep writing more posts to put into the discussion, but then I re-think the wisdom of what I have written, and I delete my comments. Not everything is suitable to be aired in public.

Pusaka · 6th March 2019, 03:03 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOoo1uRZ5tM

Earlier it was asked if the use of Rerajahan in keris construction had survived in Muslim parts. From the text below it looks like it is a possibility, at least the word has survived in non Hindu parts but what it represents there we can only know by comparison.

"What are the conditions if there are young people who want to become masters like you?

There are two manuscripts that become references. First , Kepandean Dharma texts made in the era of the Kingdom of Kediri, Singasari, and Majapahit. Secondly the Rerajahan Keris text which explains the requirements to become a master or cleric."

https://lifestyle.bisnis.com/read/20...ngan-sang-empu

Secondly I searched to see if I could find an example of a Rerajahan being scribed into the metal of a keris. In the video (6:15) you can see a Balinese Pande using the special scribe I spoke of earlier to trace what appears to be the AUM mantra onto the metal. Not sure if this would be classed as a Rerajahan but you get the idea. Similar stylus are used by pedanda/pemangku to scribe aksare on strips of metal during the construction of jimat.

A. G. Maisey · 6th March 2019, 07:47 PM

Thanks for putting up those links Darren, interesting.

Was there something in particular that you wanted to draw out attention to in the Basuki Yuwono article? I read that one through, but I have not got time right now to look at the other articles before & after it.

I've looked at just the 6.15 cut of the pande inscribing the metal, I have not yet looked at the rest of this video --- again, time. I'll have a look later.

David · 6th March 2019, 08:43 PM

I watched the entire video. Very nice Pusaka, thank you for posting it. It may be one of the most detailed presentations i've seen in youtube videos on the process of making keris. It's a shame that i don't speak the language and could only understand certain key keris terms that were used throughout, but the visuals were informative.
I also noted the use of the metal scribe being used early in the process in that video. As i stated before, it is not at all surprising to me to see this. You asked me earlier if i was aware of the term "Rerajahan" before you brought up this topic. While the term was not completely familiar to me, the practice most certainly is. Similar processes are enacted in the creation of talismanic objects across all cultures. The letters, sigils and mantras might differ, but the application and desired result is basically the same. So while it is nice to see a video of a keris pande actually performing this aspect of empowering the material used in the early stages of keris creation it is not at all surprising to me. No one here has argued that this is not a part of the process.
It is also nice that you seem to have found the word "Rerajahan" in conjunction with keris being used in Jawa. My internet searches on that front came up empty. As you noted, i am not sure if it is understood in the same context in Islamic culture since in the interview his response was that one must know the "Rerajahan Keris text which explains the requirements to become a master or cleric.". Given the confusion of online translators it's hard to say exactly what their understanding of the term is, though i would be surprised to find Islamic empus using Vedic mantras and symbols in the making of keris. As you stated before, they may well have substituted passaged from the Quoran instead.
What i wonder now that you feel you have established that Rerajahan was and perhaps still is a part of the process for making a spiritual keris, where you would like to take this discussion? I seriously doubt we will be able to go into much detail on the specifics of the practice, nor, if we could that we even should. So what should we be learning here?

Pusaka · 6th March 2019, 09:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

Thanks for putting up those links Darren, interesting.

Was there something in particular that you wanted to draw out attention to in the Basuki Yuwono article? I read that one through, but I have not got time right now to look at the other articles before & after it.

I've looked at just the 6.15 cut of the pande inscribing the metal, I have not yet looked at the rest of this video --- again, time. I'll have a look later.

Just that it mentions a "Rerajahan Keris text" which is studied by keris makers in Jawa. I am wondering what that might be.

Pusaka · 6th March 2019, 09:33 PM

David,

I second that, one of the most interesting videos I have seen also, talk about a feast for the eyes!

My reason for starting this thread was twofold:

1 because no such thread discussing Rerajahan in the construction of keris existed prior to it and thought it would be good to change that.

2 and my main reason was I was hoping that some member/s of this forum would have some knowledge in this area maybe even share some examples of Rerajahan used in keris making.

I dont feel I have succeeded in my objective, either:

1 There is not much knowledge on the subject here due to its specialist nature.

2 Maybe there is some knowledgeable but don't feel comfortable openly discussing it.

3 The topic doesn't resonate with them and therefore have no interest in it.

As for me it is these deeper esoteric aspects of the keris that I find most interesting. Actually it is the esoteric aspects of the keris I have spent most my time uncovering.

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5th March 2019, 11:44 AM	#1
Pusaka Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 341	David many people believe a keris pusaka can not be passed on to someone outside the family (without a handover ceremony conducted by a member of the family anyway). For that reason they are only interested in a keris made specifically for themselves. If I seen a nice keris for sale though I wouldn't worry that it was made for someone else. I would be happy to have it on my wall regardless.

6th March 2019, 03:11 AM	#3
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,992	This really has been a remarkable thread. I keep writing more posts to put into the discussion, but then I re-think the wisdom of what I have written, and I delete my comments. Not everything is suitable to be aired in public.

6th March 2019, 03:03 PM	#4
Pusaka Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 341	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOoo1uRZ5tM Earlier it was asked if the use of Rerajahan in keris construction had survived in Muslim parts. From the text below it looks like it is a possibility, at least the word has survived in non Hindu parts but what it represents there we can only know by comparison. "What are the conditions if there are young people who want to become masters like you? There are two manuscripts that become references. First , Kepandean Dharma texts made in the era of the Kingdom of Kediri, Singasari, and Majapahit. Secondly the Rerajahan Keris text which explains the requirements to become a master or cleric." https://lifestyle.bisnis.com/read/20...ngan-sang-empu Secondly I searched to see if I could find an example of a Rerajahan being scribed into the metal of a keris. In the video (6:15) you can see a Balinese Pande using the special scribe I spoke of earlier to trace what appears to be the AUM mantra onto the metal. Not sure if this would be classed as a Rerajahan but you get the idea. Similar stylus are used by pedanda/pemangku to scribe aksare on strips of metal during the construction of jimat.

6th March 2019, 07:47 PM	#5
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,992	Thanks for putting up those links Darren, interesting. Was there something in particular that you wanted to draw out attention to in the Basuki Yuwono article? I read that one through, but I have not got time right now to look at the other articles before & after it. I've looked at just the 6.15 cut of the pande inscribing the metal, I have not yet looked at the rest of this video --- again, time. I'll have a look later.

6th March 2019, 08:43 PM	#6
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,211	I watched the entire video. Very nice Pusaka, thank you for posting it. It may be one of the most detailed presentations i've seen in youtube videos on the process of making keris. It's a shame that i don't speak the language and could only understand certain key keris terms that were used throughout, but the visuals were informative. I also noted the use of the metal scribe being used early in the process in that video. As i stated before, it is not at all surprising to me to see this. You asked me earlier if i was aware of the term "Rerajahan" before you brought up this topic. While the term was not completely familiar to me, the practice most certainly is. Similar processes are enacted in the creation of talismanic objects across all cultures. The letters, sigils and mantras might differ, but the application and desired result is basically the same. So while it is nice to see a video of a keris pande actually performing this aspect of empowering the material used in the early stages of keris creation it is not at all surprising to me. No one here has argued that this is not a part of the process. It is also nice that you seem to have found the word "Rerajahan" in conjunction with keris being used in Jawa. My internet searches on that front came up empty. As you noted, i am not sure if it is understood in the same context in Islamic culture since in the interview his response was that one must know the "Rerajahan Keris text which explains the requirements to become a master or cleric.". Given the confusion of online translators it's hard to say exactly what their understanding of the term is, though i would be surprised to find Islamic empus using Vedic mantras and symbols in the making of keris. As you stated before, they may well have substituted passaged from the Quoran instead. What i wonder now that you feel you have established that Rerajahan was and perhaps still is a part of the process for making a spiritual keris, where you would like to take this discussion? I seriously doubt we will be able to go into much detail on the specifics of the practice, nor, if we could that we even should. So what should we be learning here?

6th March 2019, 09:33 PM	#8
Pusaka Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 341	David, I second that, one of the most interesting videos I have seen also, talk about a feast for the eyes! My reason for starting this thread was twofold: 1 because no such thread discussing Rerajahan in the construction of keris existed prior to it and thought it would be good to change that. 2 and my main reason was I was hoping that some member/s of this forum would have some knowledge in this area maybe even share some examples of Rerajahan used in keris making. I dont feel I have succeeded in my objective, either: 1 There is not much knowledge on the subject here due to its specialist nature. 2 Maybe there is some knowledgeable but don't feel comfortable openly discussing it. 3 The topic doesn't resonate with them and therefore have no interest in it. As for me it is these deeper esoteric aspects of the keris that I find most interesting. Actually it is the esoteric aspects of the keris I have spent most my time uncovering.