Vikinswords in Finland

Snowman · 23rd January 2019, 07:53 AM

"Janakkala's swordsman is a mourning burial in Janakkala in autumn 2013, which includes a skeleton, two swords and other objects. The older sword takes place on the Viking Age and the younger sword for the Crusade. [1] The deceased person has died around 1300. On the basis of tomography, or x-ray examinations, it has been estimated that a man would have experienced violent death. [2]

According to the timing of the skeleton's hands on the bones, the deceased is a man and died around 1300. There are objects in the grave that originate from the age of paganism. The set of charcoal on the face is timed to 1000, ie the Viking Age. The two swords to discover are also timed. The shorter, palm-like sword (Z-type), according to the style and shape classification of the swords, runs between 950 and 1050, and the sword may originate from the pre-Christian time grave. The longer is the Crusader sword (type XI) and 1050 to 1200 [3]."

Here one "swordman" in Finland -photos borrowed from museum site...

regards Markku

According to Simo Vanhatalo, a researcher at the pagan age, the pagan artefacts were sometimes found in other tombs of the Christian period. In addition to the swords, the tomb still has some timeless objects with a spear tip, an ax and a knife. [3]

The DNA study published in January 2018 has shown that the mother's swordsman's genus has a type that is 30 percent of Finns. Only a couple of three percent of the father's inheritance is the same as that of the modern Finns. According to Professor Jan Storå, a swordsman would seem to have been a local man whose genius would rather come from the West and South than from the East. The data is preliminary because there is no time reference for time [4].

RobertGuy · 23rd January 2019, 08:35 AM

The widely differing dates for the two sword types shown raises some very interesting questions. Was the shorter Viking style sword a family heirloom, handed down over hundreds of years? Was it buried in its shortened state? ie a broken sword kept to commemorate an ancestor's great deeds? Was the 1300s burial dug through an earlier grave and the grave goods found re-interred? Or am I missing the point entirely? I hope this will lead to an informative debate. Great post Snowman

Victrix · 23rd January 2019, 09:09 AM

The so-called viking era is arguably harder to define in Scandinavia and the Nordics as the periods before and after are not that different (culture was embedded). Conversion to Christianity was a long and drawn out process taking centuries. Initially the most visible signs of conversion were the replacement of Thor’s hammer with the Cross, and burial practices. But culturally things changed only slowly as the viking rune stones with crosses can attest. It’s highly plausible that the grave belongs to a Christian knight who’s family was converted for one or two generations, and intriguingly that the viking sword is an inherited family heirloom. Judging by the state of the later crusader sword it’s possible that the older sword was broken through decay in the grave? Typically objects were not placed in Christian graves so the presence of the swords may show left-over pagan practices?

I’m not sure how to interpret the gene info. Is the mother’s genes basically local Nordic/Scandinavian whilst the father’s genes would be different (German, British,...)? Given the migrations taking place in Europe in the centuries before this burial, I wonder how accurate this sort of thing can be?

23rd January 2019, 07:53 AM	#1
Snowman Member Join Date: Sep 2018 Posts: 37	"Janakkala's swordsman is a mourning burial in Janakkala in autumn 2013, which includes a skeleton, two swords and other objects. The older sword takes place on the Viking Age and the younger sword for the Crusade. [1] The deceased person has died around 1300. On the basis of tomography, or x-ray examinations, it has been estimated that a man would have experienced violent death. [2] According to the timing of the skeleton's hands on the bones, the deceased is a man and died around 1300. There are objects in the grave that originate from the age of paganism. The set of charcoal on the face is timed to 1000, ie the Viking Age. The two swords to discover are also timed. The shorter, palm-like sword (Z-type), according to the style and shape classification of the swords, runs between 950 and 1050, and the sword may originate from the pre-Christian time grave. The longer is the Crusader sword (type XI) and 1050 to 1200 [3]." Here one "swordman" in Finland -photos borrowed from museum site... regards Markku According to Simo Vanhatalo, a researcher at the pagan age, the pagan artefacts were sometimes found in other tombs of the Christian period. In addition to the swords, the tomb still has some timeless objects with a spear tip, an ax and a knife. [3] The DNA study published in January 2018 has shown that the mother's swordsman's genus has a type that is 30 percent of Finns. Only a couple of three percent of the father's inheritance is the same as that of the modern Finns. According to Professor Jan Storå, a swordsman would seem to have been a local man whose genius would rather come from the West and South than from the East. The data is preliminary because there is no time reference for time [4]. Attached Images

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23rd January 2019, 08:35 AM	#2
RobertGuy Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Posts: 135	The widely differing dates for the two sword types shown raises some very interesting questions. Was the shorter Viking style sword a family heirloom, handed down over hundreds of years? Was it buried in its shortened state? ie a broken sword kept to commemorate an ancestor's great deeds? Was the 1300s burial dug through an earlier grave and the grave goods found re-interred? Or am I missing the point entirely? I hope this will lead to an informative debate. Great post Snowman

23rd January 2019, 09:09 AM	#3
Victrix Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Sweden Posts: 755	The so-called viking era is arguably harder to define in Scandinavia and the Nordics as the periods before and after are not that different (culture was embedded). Conversion to Christianity was a long and drawn out process taking centuries. Initially the most visible signs of conversion were the replacement of Thor’s hammer with the Cross, and burial practices. But culturally things changed only slowly as the viking rune stones with crosses can attest. It’s highly plausible that the grave belongs to a Christian knight who’s family was converted for one or two generations, and intriguingly that the viking sword is an inherited family heirloom. Judging by the state of the later crusader sword it’s possible that the older sword was broken through decay in the grave? Typically objects were not placed in Christian graves so the presence of the swords may show left-over pagan practices? I’m not sure how to interpret the gene info. Is the mother’s genes basically local Nordic/Scandinavian whilst the father’s genes would be different (German, British,...)? Given the migrations taking place in Europe in the centuries before this burial, I wonder how accurate this sort of thing can be?