Flintlock pistol for ID

corrado26 · 8th January 2019, 05:25 PM

I think this is a German pistol made around 1750/70. The backward curl at the trigger, the form of the sideplate and the pronounced butt are typical. The pistol shows no signature of the gunsmith what could be a sign that the maker has been working at the court of a more or less highly ranked noble man. In this case a signature was avoidable because the orderer knew who made the pistol.
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fernando · 9th January 2019, 11:52 AM

Good shot Udo; thank you so much. Your points look consistent with my previous information, namely age and pronounced butt. To remind however that, the back curled trigger also appears in XVIII century guns of other provenances. I have Portuguese ans Spanish with such detail.
Thanks again.

fernando · 9th January 2019, 11:53 AM

No more opinions, Gentlemen ?

Pukka Bundook · 9th January 2019, 04:49 PM

No expert here, but I think Corrado has nailed it.
It appears Germanic to me, and from the period as Corrado says.
What makes me say this, is the un-engraved brass furniture. There was a period in the mid and later 18th C where German arms were largely not engraved, although the castings were ideally suited to such decoration.
I'd also say the relief carving also appears Germanic, as does the muzzle work.
A very nice pistol!

R.

fernando · 9th January 2019, 05:24 PM

Thanks much you for your input, Richard

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fernando · 10th January 2019, 01:28 PM

For your appreciation a pair of silver decorated pistols, tagged as French.
We may observe the butt style, the back curled trigger, the side plate shape, the barrel top section and its meeting the tang.

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Pukka Bundook · 10th January 2019, 02:15 PM

Hello Fernando my friend,

I think the pistols may be miss-labeled, as the engraving and appearance say German, more actually, the engraved mounts are Very typical of arms made in the Carlsbad area of Bohemia.

Also the conversion to percussion is typical of Germanic work.

I believe I have seen the exact same lock and sideplate design from that area.
The French engraver's pattern books were widely used in Europe and even in Britain, but these designs I do not think show up in the French pattern books.
The photos are not as clear as I would like, and a good photo of theguards would help a lot.

I will wait now and see what others say!

V nice pistols, BTW.

Richard.

10th January 2019, 01:28 PM	#6
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Undeniable French root ... For your appreciation a pair of silver decorated pistols, tagged as French. We may observe the butt style, the back curled trigger, the side plate shape, the barrel top section and its meeting the tang. . Attached Images

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8th January 2019, 05:25 PM	#1
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,231	I think this is a German pistol made around 1750/70. The backward curl at the trigger, the form of the sideplate and the pronounced butt are typical. The pistol shows no signature of the gunsmith what could be a sign that the maker has been working at the court of a more or less highly ranked noble man. In this case a signature was avoidable because the orderer knew who made the pistol. corrado26

9th January 2019, 11:52 AM	#2
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Good shot Udo; thank you so much. Your points look consistent with my previous information, namely age and pronounced butt. To remind however that, the back curled trigger also appears in XVIII century guns of other provenances. I have Portuguese ans Spanish with such detail. Thanks again.

9th January 2019, 11:53 AM	#3
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	No more opinions, Gentlemen ?

9th January 2019, 04:49 PM	#4
Pukka Bundook Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 803	No expert here, but I think Corrado has nailed it. It appears Germanic to me, and from the period as Corrado says. What makes me say this, is the un-engraved brass furniture. There was a period in the mid and later 18th C where German arms were largely not engraved, although the castings were ideally suited to such decoration. I'd also say the relief carving also appears Germanic, as does the muzzle work. A very nice pistol! R.

9th January 2019, 05:24 PM	#5
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Thanks much you for your input, Richard .

10th January 2019, 02:15 PM	#7
Pukka Bundook Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 803	Hello Fernando my friend, I think the pistols may be miss-labeled, as the engraving and appearance say German, more actually, the engraved mounts are Very typical of arms made in the Carlsbad area of Bohemia. Also the conversion to percussion is typical of Germanic work. I believe I have seen the exact same lock and sideplate design from that area. The French engraver's pattern books were widely used in Europe and even in Britain, but these designs I do not think show up in the French pattern books. The photos are not as clear as I would like, and a good photo of theguards would help a lot. I will wait now and see what others say! V nice pistols, BTW. Richard.