Relic of a Javanese kriss whith original warangka

David · 2nd November 2018, 03:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Athanase

I spent part of the pendok soaking in citric acid during a whole afternoon, after rinsing well, rubbing with a cloth and then drying the color is indeed much more silvery but still with a touch of yellow.
At one place there was a black oxide crust which has now become the same color as pure copper.

It doesn't sound like you have actually tried metal polish.

A. G. Maisey · 2nd November 2018, 08:06 AM

I've said hello to a lot of pendoks, very large number of pendoks, so many I've forgotten their names.

A lot of these pendoks were like stubborn women, but I can truthfully say that I have never met one pendok that did not open up for me after the gentle application of a little heat.

An LPG blow torch is good, provided you can be delicate, an LPG camp stove is safer and probably more gentle, but whatever the adhesive is that is holding that pendok, it will let go if heated. It is a good idea to use industrial rubber gloves to grip the pendok as you gently, but forcefully persuade it to let go.

If the gandar breaks or lets go of the wrongko first, its no big deal, you just fix it, everything about a keris can be fixed.

In respect of polishing, the stuff that is used to polish mag wheels is good, use it along with fine steel wool, polish with a light coloured cloth, when there is no more black on the cloth it will be as good as you can get it.

Paul B. · 2nd November 2018, 12:51 PM

True but if you happen to deal with a gandariras sheath but in case the gandar is an individual element then the risk of breaking at the weak point ( the glued neck part) is realistic. Then you're stuck with the a pendok completely hidden inside the pendok and if you are lucky the tongues haven't broken. If so there is little grip to reglue afterwards....
Worse, some gandar break of at the very end and stay in the bottom end of a pendok. Then you do have a real problem so consider doing so.
In the past I bought a few nice pendok meant to replace other less valuable ones and I found out there was a gandar remnent, nasty experience!

A. G. Maisey · 2nd November 2018, 09:01 PM

None of the things you mention --- plus a whole swathe of things you do not mention --- are even the smallest problem Paul.

You use a segrek to remove a gandar that comes off the gambar, if you do not have a segrek, a Swiss Army Knife saw or a keyhole saw works reasonably well.

Broken tongues are easily replaced and the replacement will be better and stronger than the original. Bambu is the best material, 5 minute araldite is the best adhesive.

I have never had any part of a gandar break deep inside a pendok that could not be removed. Usually a segrek will remove small stuck pieces, but once or twice I have needed to use a long chisel to cut out small broken pieces.

There is absolutely nothing with a keris that cannot be fixed, and the removal of a glued pendok is about as simple as any job gets.

drdavid · 2nd November 2018, 09:30 PM

Hi Alan, is there any chance you have a picture of a segrek you could show us
cheers
DrD

A. G. Maisey · 2nd November 2018, 10:16 PM

I did post pics of a segrek, and I think maybe some other tools, some time ago. I just tried a search but could not find the pics.

I'm not at home at the moment, if necessary I'll post pics of one next week. In essence, it is like a saw with reverse teeth that cut on the pull stroke, not the push stroke.

For a tool that is to be used to remove a gandar from a pendok only, it is a very easy to make one from mild steel --- it does not need to cut, only to have the teeth reverse direction so it will grip the inside of a gandar. You can also make a tool that will do the job from an old pruning saw by grinding down the blade with an angle grinder.

Sajen · 2nd November 2018, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

I did post pics of a segrek, and I think maybe some other tools, some time ago.

Look here:http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showpo...06&postcount=6

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2nd November 2018, 08:06 AM	#2
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,992	I've said hello to a lot of pendoks, very large number of pendoks, so many I've forgotten their names. A lot of these pendoks were like stubborn women, but I can truthfully say that I have never met one pendok that did not open up for me after the gentle application of a little heat. An LPG blow torch is good, provided you can be delicate, an LPG camp stove is safer and probably more gentle, but whatever the adhesive is that is holding that pendok, it will let go if heated. It is a good idea to use industrial rubber gloves to grip the pendok as you gently, but forcefully persuade it to let go. If the gandar breaks or lets go of the wrongko first, its no big deal, you just fix it, everything about a keris can be fixed. In respect of polishing, the stuff that is used to polish mag wheels is good, use it along with fine steel wool, polish with a light coloured cloth, when there is no more black on the cloth it will be as good as you can get it.

2nd November 2018, 12:51 PM	#3
Paul B. Member Join Date: Nov 2017 Posts: 205	True but if you happen to deal with a gandariras sheath but in case the gandar is an individual element then the risk of breaking at the weak point ( the glued neck part) is realistic. Then you're stuck with the a pendok completely hidden inside the pendok and if you are lucky the tongues haven't broken. If so there is little grip to reglue afterwards.... Worse, some gandar break of at the very end and stay in the bottom end of a pendok. Then you do have a real problem so consider doing so. In the past I bought a few nice pendok meant to replace other less valuable ones and I found out there was a gandar remnent, nasty experience!

2nd November 2018, 09:01 PM	#4
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,992	None of the things you mention --- plus a whole swathe of things you do not mention --- are even the smallest problem Paul. You use a segrek to remove a gandar that comes off the gambar, if you do not have a segrek, a Swiss Army Knife saw or a keyhole saw works reasonably well. Broken tongues are easily replaced and the replacement will be better and stronger than the original. Bambu is the best material, 5 minute araldite is the best adhesive. I have never had any part of a gandar break deep inside a pendok that could not be removed. Usually a segrek will remove small stuck pieces, but once or twice I have needed to use a long chisel to cut out small broken pieces. There is absolutely nothing with a keris that cannot be fixed, and the removal of a glued pendok is about as simple as any job gets.

2nd November 2018, 09:30 PM	#5
drdavid Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Australia Posts: 372	Hi Alan, is there any chance you have a picture of a segrek you could show us cheers DrD

2nd November 2018, 10:16 PM	#6
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,992	I did post pics of a segrek, and I think maybe some other tools, some time ago. I just tried a search but could not find the pics. I'm not at home at the moment, if necessary I'll post pics of one next week. In essence, it is like a saw with reverse teeth that cut on the pull stroke, not the push stroke. For a tool that is to be used to remove a gandar from a pendok only, it is a very easy to make one from mild steel --- it does not need to cut, only to have the teeth reverse direction so it will grip the inside of a gandar. You can also make a tool that will do the job from an old pruning saw by grinding down the blade with an angle grinder.