Russian Navy officer sword with the Order of St. Ann

salsan · 12th April 2018, 01:46 PM

Dear lastwar IP, unfortunately, this subject does not represent historical value. It's a fake copy.
Alex

fernando · 12th April 2018, 02:52 PM

Welcome to the forum, lastwarIP.

Let's just call it a copy or a replica, Alex. Fake would be a strong word in this case; certainly was not made to pretend to be genuine, to deceive possible buyers.

salsan · 12th April 2018, 03:15 PM

I agree with you Fernando, this dirk is just a copy.

lastwarIP · 12th April 2018, 08:06 PM

Hi friends! Please let me know , why You think that it is only replica? Thank You

ariel · 13th April 2018, 04:11 AM

Well, whether it is a copy, a replica or a fake, it is still “not genuine”.
The distinction lies in the intent of the seller, and we have no way of guessing it.
So, just not to be rude, we may limit ourselves to the mildest possible term.

“Copy” does the job well, IMHO.

fernando · 13th April 2018, 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ariel

... Well, whether it is a copy, a replica or a fake, it is still “not genuine”...The distinction lies in the intent of the seller, and we have no way of guessing it.

Neither such context was expressed, so we do well in dropping it

.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ariel

... So, just not to be rude, we may limit ourselves to the mildest possible term...

That was the idea

lastwarIP · 17th April 2018, 08:05 PM

Hello, friends! Here are photos and video of the sword in disassembled condition for more detailed study and the expert's opinion from expert of historical weapons - the head of the historical branch of the East Bohemian Pardubice Museum - pan Mgr. Jan Tetřev
The registration of an expert in the Ministry of Justice of the Czech Republic
here is the link http://datalot.justice.cz/justice/rep...
Here is the link for download Experts opinion https://cloud.mail.ru/public/9Ank/ezS...
Here is the link for download fotos of the sword
https://photos.app.goo.gl/SD9Bs65P2HX...
here is the link for video of the sword
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RfSyZFNhSw&t=47s
Regards!

fernando · 17th April 2018, 09:50 PM

Dear lastwarIP, it is excelent for you that your dirk is genuine.
Perhaps this is time to remind you that, despite the scope of this European forum is to contemplate the discussion and study of antique weapons from ancient times to the end of the 19th. century, we welcomed the posting of your 1914 example to eventually help with some basic notes.
However as you now put it, you are well documented in this item and even have an expert's full report on it.
One would therefore be perplex with your posting it here to inquire about its historical value, when you already knew it.
All the best.

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12th April 2018, 01:46 PM	#1
salsan Member Join Date: Mar 2018 Posts: 18	Dear lastwar IP, unfortunately, this subject does not represent historical value. It's a fake copy. Alex

12th April 2018, 02:52 PM	#2
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Welcome to the forum, lastwarIP. Let's just call it a copy or a replica, Alex. Fake would be a strong word in this case; certainly was not made to pretend to be genuine, to deceive possible buyers.

12th April 2018, 03:15 PM	#3
salsan Member Join Date: Mar 2018 Posts: 18	I agree with you Fernando, this dirk is just a copy.

12th April 2018, 08:06 PM	#4
lastwarIP Member Join Date: Mar 2018 Posts: 4	Hi friends! Please let me know , why You think that it is only replica? Thank You

13th April 2018, 04:11 AM	#5
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Well, whether it is a copy, a replica or a fake, it is still “not genuine”. The distinction lies in the intent of the seller, and we have no way of guessing it. So, just not to be rude, we may limit ourselves to the mildest possible term. “Copy” does the job well, IMHO.

17th April 2018, 08:05 PM	#7
lastwarIP Member Join Date: Mar 2018 Posts: 4	Hello, friends! Here are photos and video of the sword in disassembled condition for more detailed study and the expert's opinion from expert of historical weapons - the head of the historical branch of the East Bohemian Pardubice Museum - pan Mgr. Jan Tetřev The registration of an expert in the Ministry of Justice of the Czech Republic here is the link http://datalot.justice.cz/justice/rep... Here is the link for download Experts opinion https://cloud.mail.ru/public/9Ank/ezS... Here is the link for download fotos of the sword https://photos.app.goo.gl/SD9Bs65P2HX... here is the link for video of the sword https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RfSyZFNhSw&t=47s Regards!

17th April 2018, 09:50 PM	#8
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Dear lastwarIP, it is excelent for you that your dirk is genuine. Perhaps this is time to remind you that, despite the scope of this European forum is to contemplate the discussion and study of antique weapons from ancient times to the end of the 19th. century, we welcomed the posting of your 1914 example to eventually help with some basic notes. However as you now put it, you are well documented in this item and even have an expert's full report on it. One would therefore be perplex with your posting it here to inquire about its historical value, when you already knew it. All the best.