Uniquely Singapore Merlion Keris inspired by unduk-unduk

Treeslicer · 4th April 2018, 09:16 PM

"eth·no·graph·ic
ˌeTHnəˈɡrafik/
adjective
adjective: ethnographic; adjective: ethnographical

relating to the scientific description of peoples and cultures with their customs, habits, and mutual differences."

IMHO, even if something is not of obvious collector interest, it can convey a great deal of ethnographic information. The Pacific Rim cultures are all in a state of change, and what's been posted above hammers that home. Cultural use of kerises certainly didn't end with 1945, or 1964, or 1982, or 2001, or whatever date you care to posit. Neither is it totally uninteresting that, judging by one of the photos Alexis posted, some keris makers have entered the age of tool-and-die manufacturing, adapting Western techniques to their own cultural goals.

Of course, it poses me a question of whether I display such works among antique kerises of identifiable tangguh, or next to the Randalls and Pumas......

Rick · 4th April 2018, 10:27 PM

Humble opinion noted......

David · 5th April 2018, 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Treeslicer

Neither is it totally uninteresting that, judging by one of the photos Alexis posted, some keris makers have entered the age of tool-and-die manufacturing, adapting Western techniques to their own cultural goals.

Of course, it poses me a question of whether I display such works among antique kerises of identifiable tangguh, or next to the Randalls and Pumas......

Frankly i believe that the use of tool-and-die manufacturing as seen in these three identical keris unduk-unduk that Alexis based his own re-design upon is more a matter of reaching commercial goals rather than cultural ones.

Treeslicer · 5th April 2018, 05:03 AM

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Originally Posted by David

Frankly i believe that the use of tool-and-die manufacturing as seen in these three identical keris unduk-unduk that Alexis based his own re-design upon is more a matter of reaching commercial goals rather than cultural ones.

Culture being that part of human behavior which is learned, are you proposing that commerce is instinctual?

David · 5th April 2018, 06:59 AM

Humans are capable of learning quite a few things that i would not consider indicators of culture.

Anthony G. · 5th April 2018, 07:22 AM

Pardon me but is the steel used a recycled steel? Any iron and nickel involve?

5th April 2018, 07:22 AM	#6
Anthony G. Member Join Date: Mar 2018 Posts: 470	steel (materials) Pardon me but is the steel used a recycled steel? Any iron and nickel involve?

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4th April 2018, 09:16 PM	#1
Treeslicer Member Join Date: Feb 2018 Posts: 65	"eth·no·graph·ic ˌeTHnəˈɡrafik/ adjective adjective: ethnographic; adjective: ethnographical relating to the scientific description of peoples and cultures with their customs, habits, and mutual differences." IMHO, even if something is not of obvious collector interest, it can convey a great deal of ethnographic information. The Pacific Rim cultures are all in a state of change, and what's been posted above hammers that home. Cultural use of kerises certainly didn't end with 1945, or 1964, or 1982, or 2001, or whatever date you care to posit. Neither is it totally uninteresting that, judging by one of the photos Alexis posted, some keris makers have entered the age of tool-and-die manufacturing, adapting Western techniques to their own cultural goals. Of course, it poses me a question of whether I display such works among antique kerises of identifiable tangguh, or next to the Randalls and Pumas......

4th April 2018, 10:27 PM	#2
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,389	Humble opinion noted......

5th April 2018, 06:59 AM	#5
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,271	Humans are capable of learning quite a few things that i would not consider indicators of culture.