Sumatran pedang for comment.

Gustav · 20th February 2018, 09:35 PM

A very nice Pedang.

I have a Palembang Keris with quite similar Udan Mas style pamor, except for it has an Odo2, so not three indentations in a row.

The way how cutting edge becomes thick just before the first "tooth" (which I am used to call Ri Pandan) of Jenggot on that Pedang (if I see it correctly, another shot of exactly that feature would be helpful) is typical for region around Palembang.

Athanase · 21st February 2018, 10:32 AM

"Kai : - I reckon the darker grip part wasn't painted (braided wire work partly missing)? Do you have any examples of the typical Palembang lacquer work? How does this painted pommel compare with the former?"

Yes it misses a part of the wire (2 wires of iron / silver? / other ?? twisted).
Yes only the part under the "flower" is paint, not the floral motif.
Sheath doesn't seem painted but rather covered with a colored varnish. The wood itself seems naturally already a little colored.

Athanase · 25th February 2018, 11:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gustav

A very nice Pedang.

I have a Palembang Keris with quite similar Udan Mas style pamor, except for it has an Odo2, so not three indentations in a row.

Hello Gustav,
I don't understand this sentence

what do you mean by "Odo2" ??

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gustav

The way how cutting edge becomes thick just before the first "tooth" (which I am used to call Ri Pandan) of Jenggot on that Pedang (if I see it correctly, another shot of exactly that feature would be helpful) is typical for region around Palembang.

Sorry but I don't understand what point of view you want for the picture. Profile? The profile, the view of the face of the cutting edge?

kai · 26th February 2018, 07:52 AM

Hello Séverin,

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gustav

I have a Palembang Keris with quite similar Udan Mas style pamor, except for it has an Odo2, so not three indentations in a row.

Gustav's keris has a ridge (ada-ada) along the center of the blade - because of this design, the dots are along the sides only...

Regards,
Kai

Athanase · 1st March 2018, 08:49 AM

Hello,
I did the photos but I left in Italy (Rome) in a few hours I did not have time to transfer them to the computer, cut out, and resize to post them.

I will post them Tuesday night.

Athanase · 13th March 2018, 08:54 PM

With one week late, the pictures :

Sajen · 13th March 2018, 08:59 PM

Hello Séverin,

what a beauty!

Can you post pictures in this quality from the whole sword?

Regards,
Detlef

Gustav · 14th March 2018, 12:27 PM

Séverin,

thank you for the pictures.

I attach two pictures of a Palembang Keris. They show the typical "thick" Greneng and Jenggot, the edge loosing its sharpness just before Ri Pandan (that's why we more often see a complete Greneng surviving on Palembang Keris) and the Udan Mas-like Pamor treatment.

The Jenggot on you Pedang also is "thick" - till now I haven't see a Sundanese or Cirebon or Javanese Keris with this feature, and my main interest is Keris.
Maybe we could encounter this feature on a Pedang from Sunda - I don't know.

Gustav · 14th March 2018, 12:33 PM

And a picture from the now defunct UBB Forum, which even better shows what I mean:

13th March 2018, 08:54 PM	#6
Athanase Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Paris (France) Posts: 420	With one week late, the pictures : Attached Images

14th March 2018, 12:27 PM	#8
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,280	Séverin, thank you for the pictures. I attach two pictures of a Palembang Keris. They show the typical "thick" Greneng and Jenggot, the edge loosing its sharpness just before Ri Pandan (that's why we more often see a complete Greneng surviving on Palembang Keris) and the Udan Mas-like Pamor treatment. The Jenggot on you Pedang also is "thick" - till now I haven't see a Sundanese or Cirebon or Javanese Keris with this feature, and my main interest is Keris. Maybe we could encounter this feature on a Pedang from Sunda - I don't know. Attached Images

14th March 2018, 12:33 PM	#9
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,280	And a picture from the now defunct UBB Forum, which even better shows what I mean: Attached Images

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20th February 2018, 09:35 PM	#1
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,280	A very nice Pedang. I have a Palembang Keris with quite similar Udan Mas style pamor, except for it has an Odo2, so not three indentations in a row. The way how cutting edge becomes thick just before the first "tooth" (which I am used to call Ri Pandan) of Jenggot on that Pedang (if I see it correctly, another shot of exactly that feature would be helpful) is typical for region around Palembang.

21st February 2018, 10:32 AM	#2
Athanase Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Paris (France) Posts: 420	"Kai : - I reckon the darker grip part wasn't painted (braided wire work partly missing)? Do you have any examples of the typical Palembang lacquer work? How does this painted pommel compare with the former?" Yes it misses a part of the wire (2 wires of iron / silver? / other ?? twisted). Yes only the part under the "flower" is paint, not the floral motif. Sheath doesn't seem painted but rather covered with a colored varnish. The wood itself seems naturally already a little colored.

1st March 2018, 08:49 AM	#5
Athanase Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Paris (France) Posts: 420	Hello, I did the photos but I left in Italy (Rome) in a few hours I did not have time to transfer them to the computer, cut out, and resize to post them. I will post them Tuesday night.

13th March 2018, 08:59 PM	#7
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,212	Hello Séverin, what a beauty! Can you post pictures in this quality from the whole sword? Regards, Detlef