16th Century German Sword

PClemente · 6th February 2018, 12:20 AM

Yep - trying to get right size
Here they are😃👍

fernando · 6th February 2018, 03:24 PM

A very interesting sword you have there, Clemente.
It would be nice to see the whole blade. Isn't 30" a bit short for this type of swords; could it have been shortened ? ... just saying

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Your first picture is rather unfocused; difficult to discern the repair you mention. While there seems to be another repair furher down ... or is it my eyes ?

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kronckew · 6th February 2018, 03:31 PM

That looks like a right angle turn in the finger guard loop there. maybe a hammer welded repair after it was hit, or maybe just a reinforcing of the transition. The rest of the guard branches look hand forged too, and a bit uneven in diameter here and there. a soldier's blade, not a high noble's, IMHO...

30" for an infantry sword isn't bad, it's not a long thrusting only civilian rapier yet, a longer sword could hit the ground during a cut with disastrous consequences. especially at the average height of the period...

fernando · 6th February 2018, 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kronckew

... 30" for an infantry sword isn't bad, it's not a long thrusting only civilian rapier yet, a longer sword could hit the ground during a cut with disastrous consequences. especially at the average height of the period...

I reckon i wansn't thinking infantry, but looking at my swept hilts, right in front of me, which are considerably longer ... as are practically all my swords.

kronckew · 6th February 2018, 04:57 PM

my side sword is about that length, but we can't mention it here.

so i won't.

PClemente · 6th February 2018, 05:05 PM

Hey Lads,
Here are more detailed photos of the exact area I was thinking where the guard intersects the quillion.
What do you think of this spot?

Thanks Again!

kronckew · 6th February 2018, 05:15 PM

Aha! is seee the feature fernando was looking at, it's not another repair. he was seeing it at the wrong angle it that projection i've marked....looks like a lump head on. where he circled it in yellow.

the bit you point to with the ballpoint could be a broken off projection or could have been made like that, still looks a bit blurry to me. If it was broken off, it'd likely have a grainy break surface, with sharp edges, but could have been filed or worn smoother over time. it could have connected elsewhere on the guard, and be smoothed down there too. a field repair?

i have a late 18c french dragoon sword modified or repaired for US continentals that has a branch removed & smoothed to where it is barely perceptible to the eye, but you can feel it a bit lumpy there. anyway, the minor defects add character and improve the story...

PClemente · 6th February 2018, 07:21 PM

Sorry for the confusion.
I circled the point that I was referring to.
What do you think of this area!

THanks Gents!

6th February 2018, 12:20 AM	#1
PClemente Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 42	Yep - trying to get right size Here they are😃👍 Attached Images

6th February 2018, 03:24 PM	#2
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	A very interesting sword you have there, Clemente. It would be nice to see the whole blade. Isn't 30" a bit short for this type of swords; could it have been shortened ? ... just saying . Your first picture is rather unfocused; difficult to discern the repair you mention. While there seems to be another repair furher down ... or is it my eyes ? . Attached Images

6th February 2018, 03:31 PM	#3
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,215	That looks like a right angle turn in the finger guard loop there. maybe a hammer welded repair after it was hit, or maybe just a reinforcing of the transition. The rest of the guard branches look hand forged too, and a bit uneven in diameter here and there. a soldier's blade, not a high noble's, IMHO... 30" for an infantry sword isn't bad, it's not a long thrusting only civilian rapier yet, a longer sword could hit the ground during a cut with disastrous consequences. especially at the average height of the period... Last edited by kronckew; 6th February 2018 at 03:45 PM.

6th February 2018, 05:05 PM	#6
PClemente Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 42	Hey Lads, Here are more detailed photos of the exact area I was thinking where the guard intersects the quillion. What do you think of this spot? Thanks Again! Attached Images

6th February 2018, 05:15 PM	#7
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,215	Aha! is seee the feature fernando was looking at, it's not another repair. he was seeing it at the wrong angle it that projection i've marked....looks like a lump head on. where he circled it in yellow. the bit you point to with the ballpoint could be a broken off projection or could have been made like that, still looks a bit blurry to me. If it was broken off, it'd likely have a grainy break surface, with sharp edges, but could have been filed or worn smoother over time. it could have connected elsewhere on the guard, and be smoothed down there too. a field repair? i have a late 18c french dragoon sword modified or repaired for US continentals that has a branch removed & smoothed to where it is barely perceptible to the eye, but you can feel it a bit lumpy there. anyway, the minor defects add character and improve the story... Attached Images Last edited by kronckew; 6th February 2018 at 05:38 PM.

6th February 2018, 04:57 PM	#5
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,215	my side sword is about that length, but we can't mention it here. so i won't.

6th February 2018, 07:21 PM	#8
PClemente Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 42	Sorry for the confusion. I circled the point that I was referring to. What do you think of this area! THanks Gents! Attached Images

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