Wootz Jambiya

[mariusgmioc]

Originally Posted by Kubur

Sorry guys

I don' like to be pessimistic but
the sheat / scabbard is Indian and not very old;
the hilt with the silver at the back is classic from South Arabian jambiya or khanjar;
in an Indian context, I'll say that it's a Jewish hilt from India or Yemen;
the blade is recent fake or printed wootz (if you scratch it'll disapear).
To me it's a recent fake Indian jambiya...made of different marts
the hilt is good & old, the blade is recent
Sorry

Hello Kubur,

While you may be right about the hilt and the sheath, I am certain you are wrong, very wrong, about the blade.


I have many wootz blades, many etched myself, that show exactly the same type of local fading you highlighted on this blade.

The blade is Wootz all right in its finest form!

Moreover, the lobed pommel doesn't look very Arabic to me but much more Indian, as I saw several Tiger Tooth Daggers with pommels somehow similar to this one.

[Ian]

Good to see the divergent and spirited discussion on this interesting piece. Perhaps a few more of our Indo-Persian experts might like to comment on this one.

Ian

[Bryce]

G'day Guys,

Thanks for your comments.

Kubur, when you have the jambiya in hand you can see the wootz is definitely real and the scabbard is old.

The hilt does have three lobes similar to tiger tooth jambiyas, but the overall form is different. The guy I bought this from said he associates this type of hilt with Kalimantan, Indonesia. Can anyone else back this up?

Cheers,
Bryce

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by Bryce

The guy I bought this from said he associates this type of hilt with Kalimantan, Indonesia. Can anyone else back this up?

Hello Bryce,

there are jambiyas found on Muslim parts of Borneo but frankly said I've never seen one from there with wootz.

One word regarding the fading, it's located at the sharp bend from the blade and at the edge and I believe that this caused by strong and heavy beating by the forging process.

And do you know from which sort of ivory the handle is carved? I don't think that it's elephant ivory.

Regards,
Detlef

[Battara]

Sometimes these are made of hippo ivory.

[Sajen]

Look more like walrus ivory to my eyes but I am unsure and ask Bryce.

[Bryce]

G'day Guys,

Unfortunately I am no expert on ivory. I had always assumed it was elephant. I am curious as to what it is that you guys have seen that makes you think it isn't elephant.

After a quick internet swat I think it is elephant as it has schreger lines. They are easy to see with the naked eye, but very difficult to photograph. You can just about see them on the lower lobe in the photo below. From the angles produced it almost looks like mammoth ivory?

With the help of the torch, I can see that the ivory behind the metal plate, although fractured appears to be all there.

Cheers,
Bryce

[RSWORD]

Nothing new about this piece. The blade is definitely wootz. The spots where the pattern is gone is where the edges were probably heat treated and not perfectly controlled causing the pattern to burn out. The contrast and depth of pattern rules out any artificial method. The scabbard shows extensive wear on the side worn against the body and the fabric exhibits a good bit of fading. I would call the hilt style Indo-Arab, maybe Hyderabad, with a funky replaced side. The ivory has a nice mellow patina and is old. The white metal mounts were probably a late 19th to early 20th century “fix” for a missing grip slab. Whether done in its working life or in a late 19th, early 20th century bazaar is anyone’s guess.

[ariel]

Agree about the blade: first class!
Also agree on the metal repair of the handle.

The scabbard is obviously not original: too poor for the dagger. But it is this jambiya’s fourth or fifths one.

Overall, very good and old piece with many attempts to preserve it for actual use.

[Kubur]

never too late to learn!
I was really convinced that this blade was too good to be true...

[Ian]

Bryce,

Seems as though you have an excellent older piece here. Congratulations!

Ian