Cirebon hilt?

[David]

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

....I simply do not know enough to permit me to identify any more than this, nor to hazard guesses at things I do not understand.

Thanks you Alan. Please note that i never asked you to identify this figure. All i have done is question if the figure should rightfully be called a raksasa. Everything you have just written seems to me to support the validity of my questioning.

[A. G. Maisey]

David, if we are to place a name on anything, anything at all, we engage in a process of identification.

I have indicated that I cannot identify the figure in question, and nobody else seems to be able to identify it either, but in general terms it does seem to fit the broad parameters of what many collectors would call a raksasa --- or whatever --- hilt.

Personally, I'm a bit hesitant in using the R word, I suppose if we're speaking Collectorise its OK to call everything that looks a bit demonic a raksasa, but for something like this hilt, I'd probably opt for "figural". If we don't really know what something is it is possibly more polite to retreat into our own language and use descriptive terms rather than inaccurate or garbled terms.

[David]

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

David, if we are to place a name on anything, anything at all, we engage in a process of identification.

I have indicated that I cannot identify the figure in question, and nobody else seems to be able to identify it either, but in general terms it does seem to fit the broad parameters of what many collectors would call a raksasa --- or whatever --- hilt.

Personally, I'm a bit hesitant in using the R word, I suppose if we're speaking Collectorise its OK to call everything that looks a bit demonic a raksasa, but for something like this hilt, I'd probably opt for "figural". If we don't really know what something is it is possibly more polite to retreat into our own language and use descriptive terms rather than inaccurate or garbled terms.

I believe we are in complete agreement here.

[Jean]

Just for reference I attach the pics of 3 old Javanese figural hilts with a less elaborate headdress and a standard curly hair style.
Regards

[A. G. Maisey]

I think the people I know would probably give that style as minat jenggul Jean.

[Jean]

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

I think the people I know would probably give that style as minat jenggul Jean.

Thank you Alan, I never heard this name, what does it mean?
Regards